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How we can write and talk abou CTR without violating Google tos.

Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by szynka, Mar 27, 2005.

  1. #1
    Simply :D

    in short: google data is confidential. But what people do on our own sites isn't.
    So if we make our own statisticks and analyze them we can talk about that without violating google tos.

    Belows post from guy that done it :D

    "We can talk about our CTR's without violating Google's terms of service providing we do not disclose the CTR displayed on the AdSense statistics page, which Google considers confidential information. Nothing in the TOS stops us from talking about statistics we derive from our own analysis of our own weblogs. I have a Javascript trick on my site that pings my weblog every time someone clicks on a Google ad. It isn't perfect and sometimes misses a few clicks (in particular, it misses Firefox clicks), but it gets most of them.
    SEMrush
    From my own analysis of my own tracking data from my own web logs that I created myself over the last few weeks:

    -- 10% CTR per page view
    -- 28% CTR per web session
    -- 46% of my traffic is organic, 54% from PPC
    -- CTR/session for PPC is 29%
    -- CTR/session for organic SERPs is only 23%
    -- 10% of web sessions viewed over 5 pages
    (...)" -martingale

    Its cool :D
    Any of you got ready to use and free adsense tracking scripts?
    Please post if so. :)
     
    szynka, Mar 27, 2005 IP
    SEMrush
  2. tom22

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    Are you sure about this? I might want to hold off before hearing directly from Google. You wouldn't want to get your account banned.
     
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  3. szynka

    szynka Peon

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    How google stuff done that, that many webmasters are unsure, cheky, and eaven afraid of talking about ctr or other way violating therms of service?

    Yes i'm sure about that.

    And google did cool, they keep their info confidental, and even made advertisers agree that google can use data about CN (conversions - means sales) as they wish.
    So if you are advertiser and use google Conversion tracking, google can sell your conversion info.

    Off topic. :)

    Thats cool company.

    If you have any adsense tracking codes or links to please post them here
    And if you know how to do do javascript that will ping web logs please write it here so.
    It would be cool.
     
    szynka, Mar 27, 2005 IP
  4. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    Believe me, szynka, when it comes to CTR and stuff like that you won't get any replies. No one would like to have their account banned, and better safe than sorry.
     
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  5. Homer

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    Actually Fryman with the latest TOS It almost seems :confused: as though they want us to compare/ share certain data...
    I found this online http://www.webrankinfo.com/english/seo-news/topic-2293.htm The article talks about it and I recall reading in the new TOS that we can compare summary statistics.

    I am still a little uncomfortable with it, but I think it is just a question of time until someone posts thier account summary info...ie. payments issued. From what I am reading this appears to be acceptable. :confused:
     
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  6. NewComputer

    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    If anyone replies to this with the data given above, they are insane. Why does everyone care what everyone else's numbers are? I only want to know if someone has a legitimate way to get more clicks... that's it
     
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  7. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #7
    I could care less about what dollars others are making, NC. And I, for one, would not post such info. I am only interested in ways to be more sucessful with the program. On the subject of ways to get more clicks...I found this very simple and easy to understand http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=12209

    That was my new lesson of the day.

    On the subject of sharing certain statistics publicly...it's a fine line. I would suggest that anyone that does has not much to lose.
     
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  8. Owlcroft

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    #8
    Curiously, I recently started a somewhat related thread , the thrust of which was that it should be both ok and fairly useful and interesting to discuss a couple of ratios: Google-reported Impressions divided by logfile "pages" taken, and Mediabot visits divided by logfile "pages" taken.

    In neither case are we disclosing either absolute numbers or anything that could be used to determine other restricted ratios, such as CTR or CPM.

    We make money from clicks; we get more clicks, regardless of CTR, if we get more impressions. As a diagnostic, what are typical ratios of impressions to what loggers like Webalizer count as "pages taken"? I am seeing, on one major site of mine, a ratio under 4%, and that is bothering me a lot. I know that logged "pages" must necessarily include things that do not equate to full (Javascript-enabled) browser views of a page, but under 4%?!?

    Anyway, I daresay there are other such diagnostic ratios that would not breach the ToS that would nevertheless be interesting and useful to know.
     
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  9. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    I feel that Google wants AS publishers to really optimize thier results. But it is difficult for them to openly tell us what we need to do to maximize revenues.

    Google does offer tips on how to optimize your earnings but they are very generic. It is forums like this, that will allow us to learn more than what Google is telling us...remember AdWords users...they are the most important to Google. For Google to aggressively offer AdSense users with tips may be perceived negatively by AdWord users.

    This is why I think, in their new TOS they are leaning more towards loosening up. Allowing discussions that were previously viewed as violation of TOS. So allow us to discuss/share data and we will be able to improve while staying on 'the good side.'
     
    Homer, Mar 28, 2005 IP
  10. Blagger

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    Why is everyone so scared of google?

    Big deal about talking about adsense stats, it's not the crime of the century. Do people really believe google are going to search for everyone who discloses their stats?

    Theres more to life than worrying about google.
     
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  11. Homer

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    Well, I guess you are correct to a degree but I think you are one of the types that I refer to above

    I am not willing to risk even raising an eyebrow at Google with AdSense. It is a great program and very rewarding when used properly.
     
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    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    #12
    Why don't you put your site in name or your sig? What are you afraid of?
     
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    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    Here, here...

    If it ain't broke, don't do stupid things that will make YOU broke...
     
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  14. Homer

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    On the contrary, NC. My statement is a postive statement with NO mention of earnings ;)

    Call me crazy but maybe you should click my sig and read what some other webmasters are saying about this outstanding program.

    BTW: I emailed Google this site link and asked them if it met guidelines? No problem :)
     
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  15. szynka

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    Guys please, instaed of arguee answer this question: how google stuff did that, that webmasters act like adsense adicts? I read about that google ask for change first and if webmaster violate their tos sitll, then they act further.

    Its only company i know that made maaaaany webmaster act in that, i'll write, be good to maximum way. How they helped webmasters to behave like that?

    How google stuff doas that webmasters call their program "outstanding"?

    Many webmaster use priacy copy of software, mp3 , films, and when it comes to adsense, some of them act like 100% lawfull citizens.

    By the way, do you have any free/gnu script that would count clicks on adsense?
     
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  16. Homer

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    This was your original question
    We are debating that here and now. I suggest that you contact Google and ask the question.

    As fas as outstanding...it is no secret that AdSense is the best program out there...that's outstanding , literally.
     
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  17. szynka

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    Thanks for suggestions.
     
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  18. Homer

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    #18

    Do you have an AdSense Acct, szynka? If so what have your experiences been so far? If not apply now...It really makes (Ad) sense ;)

    PS If you get an answer from Google in reference to the specifics of what data we can and can't share I would apprecite knowing
     
    Homer, Mar 29, 2005 IP
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    It does seem like the are loosening up a bit on disclosure, I just wish it was a bit clearer
     
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  20. Homer

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    Me too. I have a feeling that they need us to talk about our successes to spawn more Adsense sign ups. We already know that they have offered all ADwords advertisers $25 to sign up for Adsense. We also know that they have been cracking the whip on cheaters.

    This tells me that Google is looking for GOOD Adsense publishers. If I knew CLEARLY what they will allow us to discuss I would not be as gun shy as I am. :confused:
     
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