If they look to you as an expert, they have to listen. In such case I would tell them DMOZ is not worth even suggesting the site. Much less worth paying (even to an editor) to get your site listed there. In the end it will be among spammy and outdated sites. Won't give you traffic and just a little of pagerank increase. You can get that without DMOZ any way.
I think tenthirteen is trolling you all He got all the answers covering every angle and yet he still talking about his clients, which tells me he is selling himself and his services and as long you'll reply to his posts, he is going to troll you my 2cents
Very good observation my Man, well done! It looks like you need some GREEN in your reputation One green is on it's way fastreplies
Actually, good SEO can get your site noticed by MANY editors! As can discrete link placement....will it get your site seen that's in the "suggestion pool" (Are you happy I didn't say QUEUE?) Likely not... but then, many editors do not bother with that. What do they bother with? Search engines, phonebooks, links they find on other sites... remember, that forgetting to submit offer the same wait time as submitting and forgetting in many cases. _______________ As for paying for a "guaranteed dmoz listing" in MOST cases it is very important to read the fine print. Many of those sites offer that up front, but if you dig deeper the guarantee stops at the submission, which they will gladly give you a screenshot that it's been submitted....and if anyone wants to give me $250 to simply submit their site to the ODP I will GLADLY take it! (as that isn't against their guidelines, lol). I will even give a screenshot of the submission page!
Actually according to blog.dmoz.org post made by Emily Kayser, titled "What is Editor Abuse?", it is against their guidelines She's forgot to mention it would be virtually impossible to prove it not to mention it will never become public knowledge. fastreplies
that's just because Emily like Jim and before markhod and others keep saying same things always and forever . We all if we are bothering to browse couple of hours on dmoz will find sites witch aren't '' suitable '' for directory conform with their guidelines and still exist . Yes it's true the '' link rot '' can be a cause BUT not always , here was added sites on abusive way and those sites still exist . WHY this peoples keep posting those '' lies '' it's obviously a known reason by most of the peoples .
jimnoble - Thank you for the informative replies. They are appreciated. I'm aware that there are other posters here who think I am, I dunno, "trolling" (?!) but let's suppose for a second that I'm not... I'm not familiar with DMOZ (believe it/don't believe it, it's entirely up to yourselves, choose to reply/don't choose to reply - the "troll" will soon go away!) but I'll post my reply here anyway... I was under the impression that the directory worked on a hierarchy basis so if ... Canary Islands-Lanzarote-Travel-and-Tourism-Loding-Hotels didn't have an editor then 'responsibility' as it were, would be passed up to a higher level that did (so in my example that would be Canary Islands - which is where it appeared that the 'closest' editor was, aka "the guy who's signature suggests he's asleep at the wheel!" I got this 'hierarchy information' from a freelancer who I hired through another website, one of those post-your-job and freelancers bid for the work type websites. He was helpful (I thought) with html and css suggestions, we compressed images to make the page load faster and did other tweaks but apparently his DMOZ information was inaccurate. He didn't mention 'metas' to me at all though. He suggested that the closest editor (as per his hierarchy 'theory') was rejecting the site as it conflicted with his own interests as perhaps web designer of the other sites listed in the category of my clients hotel. I accepted this at the time and so did the hotel owners who subsequently quietened down regarding wanting a DMOZ listing (they have suddenly found their voice about it again now though!) It has only been in the last week or so that I have actually gone onto those six websites in the category and have seen for myself that their web designers (apparently) share no overlap. With regard to 'metas' my first encounter with the word was about two days ago on this forum and my initial perception was that a meta would supervise editors, overseeing their work rather than actually editing themselves. Apparently this is not the case. (Excuse me if I say that IMHO this is like buying a dog and barking yourself - why do the 'lower hierarchy' editors exist if the metas are doing the lions share of the workload?! Or have I misunderstood the role of a meta?) Before I get accused of "trolling" again you can regard that as a rhetorical question, I don't really need to know the role of a meta. With regard to a higher category level submission, the website has only been submitted once last May (according to the hotel owners who did it themselves after having an online re-vamp c/o a local website designer. I myself am not a website designer, I can tweak the code of an existing website but I cannot create one from scratch. I work in hotel marketing but more and more often now these two are overlapping as Google takes over us all It was my thought to resubmit to a 'higher' category to try and get someone else's attention at DMOZ but if the editors can move 'sideways' rather than just up and down as it were, well, I can see now that it wouldn't serve any purpose whatsoever. I can also see from posts in this section of the forum that re-submissions appear to do little more than p*ss people off at DMOZ and that isn't going to do my clients any favours at all. Can I make a suggestion though.... if DMOZ editors look at a site and go "holey moley its utter cr*p and full of spam" then I think it would be a beneficial gesture to send the submitter out a generic email saying words to the effect of "we looked, we didn't like, it failed on points 1, 12, 19 and 26 of our submission criteria, please go back and work on the above and resubmit no sooner than three months from now. Ciao." Surely by doing that there wouldn't be 1,000's of forum posts (like mine!) wailing "Oh DMOZ won't list my site, has it even looked it it yet? Is it in the queue?! Shall I resubmit - help me please!" and if people are given a "must do better" list then it might just help improve websites across the board as well as stem the number of wailing forum posts! (I'm struggling to find a good reason why DMOZ doesn't send out rejection emails?) Re: Using an 'update listing' link Jim, I'm really not going to, DMOZ isn't something I usually deal with in my ordinary life (no sh*t Sherlock...) I'd heard of it but this is my first time trying to interact with it (...it's not exactly newbie friendly if you don't mind me staying so, in fairness it probably shouldn't be though because you'd have every homepage on GeoCities about peoples pet dogs as submissions). But yes, I'm going to translate this thread back down to the hotel owners - it's pointless resubmitting; patience is a virtue; etc. etc. but jeeze 17 months since submission, I think I have to let the air out of them and tell them to just give it up and perhaps accept losing them as my client. caprichoso - They look to me for hotel marketing advice and I advised them to exchange links with similar businesses and not-so-similar businesses in their geographical area, a bit like a webring but not. Someone else planted the DMOZ seed in their mind. It will increase their in-links that's for sure because the directory is re-used elsewhere but with regard to Google ranking, as I said before, they're doing better than the others that are in DMOZ - but the question is will they accept being told that or not?! alsatech - I looked up 'trolling' in Wikipedia. That's not a very nice thing to say. And "he" is a "she" so if you're going to insult me at least get my gender right when doing so. And if you're a hotel owner or manager looking for marketing help then damn right I'm selling my services but something tells me not too many hoteliers hang around these parts... fastreplies - to my new best friend. /sarcasm. Qryztufre - my question (of the hour) is how long does this 'pool' last? (It's starting to sound like Dante's Terraces of Purgatory!) Surely sites can't just sit in it forever? Someone must come along and say "it was junk a year ago and it's still junk now... good-bye." I'll write it again - someone should really put submitters out of their misery and tell them that their website wasn't good enough and that they need to go home and work on it! PS I used to have Russ Berrie tolls when I was younger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_doll. That is all, check out my new avatar.
I think previous experience that this will fail dismally. Webmasters will just want to argue. I recall reading years ago about the webmaster of a Christian site making death threats to a DMOZ editor.
Webmasters will just want to argue - that's just false I think and most probably it's coming from your personal experience with few angry peoples ... at the end of the day I don't think someone simply like to argue like crazy with nothing to do better with their life's .... it's some type of misogyny similar with '' blonder girls jokes '' ...
I don't know if you noticed ... I didn't wanted first of all to argue with anyone never , I just wanted to get some decent answers ..... and all what I got after more than 6 months when all this started ... it's lies , vague posts and punishment's when I`ve said on public what I said . Anyway ... wasn't my scope to start any '' virtual fight'' with anyone . Everything on my case started with some questions
When I reach situations like this one with my clients (I'm a software developer and believe me, customers have plenty of wrong ideas planted in their minds) I took the short path. I tell them what I think they should do (as a consultant) and then leave the decision to them. I make it clear they can choose to follow my recommendations or not. Either way the are responsible for what they do
DMOZ editors tend to divide the world in two: Editors and people who don't agree with them. Then they call that people webmasters. Let's notice that such mistake comes from a misconception editors have about what the world is.
No, no... editors can not be paid to LIST/Approve/whatever the PC word for it is now a site... you can be a professional link builder and submit sites all day long and still be an editor! DMOZ as an SEO/Linkbuilding tool, as claimed by an editor!