Jagger - The third wave

I actually think you're wrong there.
Joe public doesn't really give a monkey's how specifically relevent SERPs are. All they care about is can they find the information they want, can they find the product they want etc etc.
SEO's do care how relevant SERPs are. If SERPs are completely irrelevant then you're completely in the lap of the gods as to whether you rank or not. If SERPs are relevant, then you know what you've got to do - make your page more relevant in the eyes of the bots.

 

In my honest opinion, Google had big problems in the past, has now, and it will surely have in the future.

One frined of mine told me that : Google will die. MSN and Yahoo are the future.

Again, INMHO, Google will not only resolve his issues, but webmasters will love him more, no matter the problems, and visitors, will use him more and more, no matter the results relevancy.

Google has become the life and bread of 90% of the web surfurs, worldwide.

Anyway : what i need to say is this, after a recent discussion with a friend :

The flux will not stop these days, and it's very fluid. Please expect more and more changes, and at the final movement, please do not expect the same results and facts as before this octomber event.

The old algorithms will not be dropped, but little changes that are being made, can have a very large effect on your new situation.

Thanks.

 

I don't think so (mho).

Can you imagine the amount of stupid and repetitive email they must get from webmasters/seo'rs? They would have to wade through 100 to find one that makes a good point.

Google can easily see how accurate their search results are by looking at how many search pages a person looks at before they click away to another site, and I'm sure they have many other tests and tracking stats.

Seo'rs only complain to google when either their site doesn't show up, or their competion's site does.

 

Going back to YFS1's first post in this thread, I am seeing wild changes on a client's site. In and out every day, where my own seems to be dropping no further and slowly clawing back.

To be honest, I do not fall into the camp of those who wail and complain about the serps because I feel I should always be in top spot. I wail and complain because when I drop out, my traffic plunges and I feel the sting in my AS. That is not to say that I think the sites that have replaced me are bum sites. They are not.

I don't think any in particular are miles above my own. I'd say we are about par for several reasons. Still, I don't resent them for having their 15 minutes and I look forward to kicking them back out again in the very near future .

One silver lining to come out of this cloud for me, is that I was forced to focus on the sprawling and unforgotten dusty corners of my site. I find that there are quite a few pages that have not been touched for years ( ) and this has given me the motivation to get those pages sorted out.

I have lost about 50% of Adsense income over this debacle but maybe by paying attention to these forgotten but popular pages I can either recoup or go for gold when my positions start coming back.

 

E10

There is hope.

 

E10, if it's any consolation I see you site is similar to one of mine (in a way). You still hold #1's for at least 1 keyword from here in the UK.
I'm guessing that you've tanked for some keywords and not others. Which to me says that if the site has been penalized then I don't know what for as it should hit all keywords similar.
I too am seeing a small recovery - only 3 or 4 places at a time though.

Expertu: there is always hope whilst the update hasn't completed fully. Afterwards, there is always good old fashioned hardwork if hope fails us

 

Yes, but keep it stumm. If they find out they missed that one I am a goner!

 

I don't know of one successful company in any sector that does not listen to what their customers are saying - even Microsoft!

Frankly, SEO's have helped contribute to the complexity of algorithms and the improvements in search quality (although it may not always seem that way). Remember the days of keyword stuffing on pages and meta tags? Remember the days when it was easy to cloak?

SEO's and search engine companies have a symbiotic relationship - even if they are constantly at odds with each other.

 

Did you mean to search for pooped?

 

well i agree with you HHI Golf Guy, SE's algo do change just because how SEO have made tweaks to their system...

 

People have been singing that "Google will die" or "Google is broken" song for at least two years.

It may happen one day but not in the foreseeable future. In the meantime, don't stop optimizing for Google - at the moment, what you'll get from Yahoo and MSN won't buy the baby new shoes.

 

You can make Yahoo & MSN pay - I know, I have sites that only get traffic from those engines.
But the minute you start getting traffic from G, the other two pale into insignificance and you tend to forget about them.
With a new site, I first concentrate on rankings in M. Then as Y starts to improve I start making sure things are correct for that. Finally when it starts moving from the sandbox I make sure things are as good as I can for G.
After a shortwhile the traffic coming from G so far outstrips the others you tend to forget about them some what.

 

Over what time frame does this happen in your experience? The Yahoo bit is happening to me at the moment.

 

1. MSN

2. after one month - Yahoo

3. after 3 to 6 months - Google

 

it took me 9 months to get out of sandbox

 

90% of cases... the sandbox is below 6 months. I will go with that, as an advice for him

 

lol, I am about 500 results back for my site on google and have been around 1 1/2 years for a keywords that only receive about 800 hits a month. I was trying to look at my competitiors in this thread http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=34413

Sorry people dont want to deviate away from this original thread.

 

Gazzerman ... please wait until this flux/update/change is settled.

You will see then the final results.

This is a period in which i recommend you to close the PC and go do something else. Your nerves are very precious to me

We will let you know when you should check your website.

 

much appreciated expertu

 

Assuming a brand new domain I agree with expertu's numbers.
I can get rankings in MSN within 1 week of site indexing.
Yahoo for me seems to take between 30->60 days typically.
Google can take from 3 months -> 1+ years (possibly depending on keywords but also I think depending on how fast you build initial links into the site).
Obviously that's at present, who knows what the situation with G will be once this update is finished.
I'm experimenting with expired domains at the moment and seem to be having some luck getting traffic from G a lot quicker (ie under 1 month).