Doesn't this encourage scammers ?!

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by BadLuck, Nov 17, 2007.

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    Apparently a thread where software owners could report illegal selling of their tools through the DP forum was closed because some1 thought that
    Is that so?! Are those people doing their deal in the outer space? Have they met on Mars? There are threads on DP where all kind of scamers sells warez, dezended or cracked tools. I would say DP has enough to do with it.

    Now, i am ready for the flames :)
     
    BadLuck, Nov 17, 2007 IP
  2. sundaybrew

    sundaybrew Numerati

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    Hi ,


    DP is an open , free forum, that DOES NOT get involved between members disputes .

    This has been discussed time and time again and if you use the search feature like I mentioned above you can read lots of threads,

    There are over 40,000 active members here and it would be impossible for the admin to sort through everyones complaint on a "he said / she said basis"

    Even though the Mods / Staff / Admins don't get involved between members , you may use the report button on any thread if you feel its really that bad,

    If you feel its really really really bad, contact your local law enforcement agency or court system

    You can read more also in the FAQ that we have here as well,

    Welcome to the forum,

    Here is also the exact section in the faq thats stats members disputes

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/faq.php?faq=policies

    You can also read about I trader and reputation to also help you deal with members here as well

    See the below threads

    iTrader 101 - Part I

    Reputation FAQ

    Infractions - Please Read

    New Policy On Username Changes

    Welcome to the forum,

    Hope this helps :)
     
    sundaybrew, Nov 17, 2007 IP
  3. BadLuck

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    If the mods/admin/stuff does not get involved with disputes, what are they here for? Just for the sake of exist? I did not asked for babysit, i did not even asked for a user to get banned. I just wanted scamming threads closed without having to wait 2 weeks while some1 from DP "research" how legit I am while that scammer makes money out of my work. I can not watch for some guy selling the stuff i've been working on for years, without having any right, and all i would do is give him some bad karma or itrade. Beeing a free forum has nothing to do with allowing illegal activities.

    Your rules about forum infractions mention only stuff related with forum behavior, i don't see any rule that says "selling crap without having legal right". And itrader is even a good thing for those guys. They surely get points from people that buy and do not care or don't know what they buy. Before you know, someone selling warez stuff has a big itrade, and the person legally owning the software, and joining only to find a way to report that, is bashed for only having 1-2 posts and no itrade.

    DP users benefits from DP traffic and reputation. I'd say it would be the advantage of majority of users, that are here to make legit business or exchange information, that DP be more responsive when something illegal is brought to their attention. I don't think that the solution is to let the lawyers speak, but if you think is better then have some thread open i can't disagree.
     
    BadLuck, Nov 18, 2007 IP
  4. samantha pia

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    you can put my name to that quote, and for the record, Crazy_Rob closed the other thread for the following reasons.

    a newbie joins DP and claims he is the owner of this that or the other, without having any way for DP staff to see who owns the item in question, you expect DP staff to act on what a nobody claims?

    if it is your script thats sold, then buy a copy of it, that gets you the paypal details of the person selling your script, then you take that information to your lawyer along with the proof of ownership of the script, and your lawyer will take 10% and a fat fee for getting your money back (if they can)

    DP will not get involved with who owns what rights to sell what. think about link sales, people are selling links on sites they do not know, with 5,000 posts a day in the link sales forum alone, so you expect the 13 staff members to police this?

    your script is your work, and your responsibility to protect your work lies with the law that governs your claim to copyright. DP is neither a court nor law maker or lawyer, you have legal ways to protect your work, you can go to court and get a court order that you can present to DP owner Shawn and then DP will act in accordance to the law.

    maybe this thread need to be closed too. :rolleyes:
     
    samantha pia, Nov 18, 2007 IP
  5. BadLuck

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    I did not wanted to make any personal attack from this thread. Is a matter of ethics. My scripts are properly protected, with licenses, zend, and so on. Is not about me beeing careless. But that can be cracked as any other software. I did not asked also for DP to police the forum or to protect my work, i only asked to be more responsive to complains.

    You like it or not, DP is reponsable for the posts in the forum just as it has rights on it. I assume DP terms have a place where states that posts and content is copyrighted and can't be reused. From that arrise also reponsabilities for that content. You can't have rights without responsabilities.

    Bur if instead of a PM or post on some thread DP will like to get some legal letters, is ok.
     
    BadLuck, Nov 18, 2007 IP
  6. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    as your script is not posted on DP then DP has no responsibility over it, the post contains text, not your script, you can not claim your script is on DP when it is clearly not.

    you problem is between the copyright holder and the person selling it. DP has no way to verify either the owner or seller. taking the word of someone online that is not proof.

    DP has a privacy policy and that means you do not get any DP members private information without a court order. once you provide a court order, then DP will act on it.

    until then it is just text on a screen, from 130,000 nobodies posting within the DP TOS who can be anyone they want to be. and your script is not part of the text is it?
     
    samantha pia, Nov 18, 2007 IP