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Feature Better Handling Of Non-Paying Bidders

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by digitalpoint, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. terrymason

    terrymason Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Thanks for the explanation, and it makes sense. I won't bother the other guys.

    1. Any chance you could allow immediate relist for anyone who marks the top bid as a non paying bidder?
    2. After reporting the non paying bidder, I received an email title "Warning Received - False Marketplace Bid". Scared the snot out of me, because I thought I had done something. You may want to put something in there identifying it as a copy, or at least letting the reporter know it wasn't a warning against him.

     
    terrymason, Nov 25, 2013 IP
  2. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #22
    Well it doesn't hurt to ask they are are still interested (they very will might be). Just saying it's not a binding thing that they have to buy it if they aren't.
    1. Haven't come up with a good way to handle that yet. It would open the system up to abuse where someone creates a fake account or has a friend high bid on it so they can cancel it for a "free" relist.
    2. Hmmm... I'll check it out. Definitely not intentional.
     
    digitalpoint, Nov 25, 2013 IP
  3. terrymason

    terrymason Well-Known Member

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    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #24
    Members that do not honor their bids, receive an infraction when you use the procedure outlined in opening post of this thread.
     
    Smyrl, Dec 6, 2013 IP
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    terrymason Well-Known Member

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    #25
    I canceled and reported the non paying bidder as per the instructions in this thread and no infraction was received.
     
    terrymason, Dec 6, 2013 IP
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    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #26
    Members can not see other member's infractions. You can only see your own.
     
    Smyrl, Dec 6, 2013 IP
  7. terrymason

    terrymason Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Ok I can get that. The problem is that he now has a 100% positive rating ( with only on transaction). Other members have no way of telling if someone has been a nonpaying bidder in the past.
     
    terrymason, Dec 6, 2013 IP
  8. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #28
    This is potentially open to abuse. For example, if someone wins an auction, but the seller then says they want more money and the buyer doesn't agree to that. The seller could wait seven days and issue an infraction. There isn't much the buyer can do:
    1. Take the infraction.
    2. Pay via Instant Pay and probably not receive whatever they "won".
    3. Pay via Instant Pay and also send whatever additional money the seller is demanding. Considering the seller isn't honouring the auction, there is no guarantee they will send the files/transfer the domain/whatever.
    Then there also is the point that what the auction "winner" might not consider what the seller is demanding additionally to be worth it. After all, a bid was made reflecting what they thought it was worth. It's really not how an auction is supposed to work.
     
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  9. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #29
    There is no way for a seller to raise/change the price once a bid is made.
     
    digitalpoint, Apr 29, 2014 IP
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  10. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #30
    What if the auction ends with a winning bid of say $20 and the seller refuses to sell because he doesn't feel it's enough but instead says he wants $50 for the site and the buyer refuses, can the seller then issue a non-paying warning against the bidder who won the auction?

    What action can be taken against a seller who refuses to acknowledge the winning bid?
     
    malky66, Apr 29, 2014 IP
  11. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #31
    Like I said, there is no way for the seller to change the price once a bid is made. The system doesn't allow it.
     
    digitalpoint, Apr 29, 2014 IP
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    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #32
    Yeah, I get that, the system doesn't allow it, that wasn't really what I was asking, what if the seller refuses to acknowledge the winning bid because he didn't feel it was enough, what action can be taken against him?
     
    malky66, Apr 29, 2014 IP
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    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #33
    Exactly.

    Imagine a situation (if you need a clearer explanation, Shawn):

    1. Member1 lists a domain at no reserve.
    2. A couple of members bid and Member2 puts in the highest bid at $20.
    3. Auction finishes and Member2 has won it.
    4. BUT Member1 starts a conversation with Member2 and tells them that they want more than that for the domain, e.g. $50, even though Member2 has won an Instant Pay auction at $20.
    Member2 could say no, but then they open themselves up to the chance of a non-paying infraction. DP cannot force a seller to honour an auction and I understand DP staff/mods don't get involved in "member disputes", but the way you have currently worked the system is flawed and opens it up to being exploited by "dubious" sellers.
     
    ryan_uk, Apr 29, 2014 IP
  14. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #34
    Just use the Report option.
     
    digitalpoint, Apr 29, 2014 IP
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    yakusokutebayo Well-Known Member

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    #35
    I don't think it's as complicated as how you make it out to be. If a seller asks for more money than the winning bid, the transaction won't show up in the system. The 'instant pay' only records winning price.

    Plus, have you "actually" come across a seller that does that? I'm a seller and I think that scenario is a bit out of place to be honest.
     
    yakusokutebayo, Nov 1, 2014 IP
  16. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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  17. yakusokutebayo

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    #37
    "so yes it does happen einstein"? Yeah, great, using an insult. Goodbye then.
     
    yakusokutebayo, Nov 2, 2014 IP
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    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #38
    Well what do you expect?
    posting assumptions based on what you think help no one, just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
     
    malky66, Nov 2, 2014 IP
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    yakusokutebayo Well-Known Member

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    #39
     
    yakusokutebayo, Nov 3, 2014 IP