The DP Movement

I wanted to ask one thing to mods and and admin/admins of DP and also respected members of DP.

Are we giving place to scammers on DP to scam genuine people?

Since i joined i have seen that the number of scammers have rapidly increased on DP and no one from admin side took any strict step to halt activities of these scammers. On the other hand DP mods and admins always come up with great rules which further ensure limited posting on DP from members who want to contribute positively.

We can't post "I am interested, or PM me details" even though thread starter mentions not to PM him and to post on the thread if someone is interested to trade. If we do post " I am interested (even when i am interested in that offer ) i'll get banned. As a matter of fact i had been banned two times.

More over:
Mods/Admin don't even bother to tell us for which fault they have banned us. After banning they just link to a simple thread of shitty rules saying that i have broken one of those rules. But which post of mine has done that? Will anyone bother to tell that?

Scammers Scenario:

As i have said earlier that scammers are increasing on DP at a damn fast rate. I had been scammed thrice till date and more over as of the recent thing i think i had been scammed fourth time by the following member
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=41485

In thread :

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=972998

Now i have sent him 3 PM till date and it had been over 10 days and i have not got any reply from him?

Where can we report such activities?

I don't think that i can click that red caution button and report it because it says "Note: This is ONLY to be used to report misplaced threads, spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts."

Now if i report using that then i'll break another damn rule. Which i do not want to.

So what happen is that, i have completed the work 10 days ago. I have sent him 3 PM's till date and he can would like to post and reply everywhere else in the forum expect to my PM's. Now this guy is getting in trade with other people but he have not yet paid me ?

I want to stop this guy but i cant because i dont have any way expect to spam every thread where he posts saying that he is a scammer, don't deal with him. Which infact will violate another rule and i'll get another infraction or another ban.

Lovely rules these admins and mods are making right?

So lets continue..

What if in a scenario similar to the one above, where you have completed the task posted and somone who stated the thread don;t bother to pay you?

Well you can't leave him an negative itrader... why? cause that scammer can do the same to you.. he can leave that Id.. change IP and then register again on DP.. with a new user without any negative itrader which u left...
What happens to you .. u continue with the same negative itrader and everytime u want to trade with someone else you need to justify from where you got that lovely negative itrade... even though you were the one who suffered....

Scammer can do everything freely while honest members are stuck with the negative reputation/itraders....

and still we dont have any place to report...

Lovely rule we have on DP

If i was a scammer then surely DP would had been a heaven to me

Anyways..

If someone will like to join this thread and would like to give support this movement then please join and post your problem and ways we can improve it.. cause i am sure that our lovely mods and admins are very much busy creating new rules to ban honest members...

If nothing happens then i am going to other forums and websites to raise this prob.

I dont want to see hon'ble and honest members suffer on DP.


DO YOU GET IT ... MODS AND ADMINS?

I AM NOT GOING TO QUIT TILL WE HAVE SOMETHING GOOD FOR OUR MEMBERS...

No regards to Mods and Admins .. (till they do something positive)

but to everyone else

Regards,
World_Peace

 

Hi,

I feel that rules are not helping at all.
scammers find a way easily to scam honest members like myself included.
I have been scammed several times and still they roam around the dp and scams other people why ?

does the admin/mods enjoying that we are being scammed? or they don't want to know about this ?

I learnt many thing which i was total noob,still learning,but this one thing makes me damn paranoid with the way the scammers gains entry easily.
digiguy

 

I think that the mods are not doing a good job. If the mods are unable to handle DP then I think some other members who are active should be given a chance to moderate. It is a serious matter.

Lots of newbies and other members want to do clean business here. But with the increase in scams DP will become more and more unreliable. So something should be done real fast.

 

Nice to see.. someone members atleast do dare to speak up......

Was searching for more things against moderators/admin professionalism

Check the following thread how politely and professionally they have answered

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=989801

Reply : (Polite)
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=8929604&postcount=5

Finding more and will continue to add more victims...

 

We need the mods and the admin to step in and tell us that they will start working for us

 

I know this place can be a lot better, but there are some problems. First the mods can't get involved with the business dealt between two members because most of the time it is he said she said, it's easy to doctor proof, time consuming, and the legal trouble of it all. Another big problem is the editing and installation of vbulletin mods, which everyone is powerless to do except the Admin, but the Admin rarely comes around. If some new mods were put in place, this place would be a lot cleaner.

 

That's an irony of life. Law breakers (aka Scammers) will always find it easy since they don't have to follow the rules.

But for those who want to contribute and make a positive impact it's a hard and uphill task and shall remain to be so.

So without complaining for mods inaction or anything let's continue to expose scammers and make it difficult for them to survive.

The mods really don't have an option - how do they ascertain who is telling the truth.

 

I think mods are all busy doing their jobs. But I hope that they can at least tell those who got temp banned a simple reason instead of not telling them why they are banned.

 

I've run a number of large forums before, and I can tell you from first-hand experience that having to give everyone a run-down of which rule they've broken would prove very time consuming. I agree that the "pm me details/i'm interested" = ban rule is perhaps little over-zealous (and I've been wacked with it once) but this is a massive forum and there needs to be checks and balances in place. The staff are not idiots, and I'm sure they've got good reasons for implementing such rules... This is a free forum, and as such, does not really owe you anything...

 

I can imagine how time consuming it is. But how about this: make a short list of reason and copy and paste?
Banned - Spam
Banned - Bump
Banned - XXX

 

First of all if they have time to ban us then they should have also time to justify us why they have banned us...... If they dont do it then it will be like convicting a person for a unknown crime... Just opening some law book and pointing at a page which contains severals laws and saying you have violated one of the laws from this page?

Is that justified?

And as of your IDIOT STAFF thing... I am not saying that they are IDIOTS.. you are saying it that THEY ARE IDIOTS... I'll just say that they are not even genius..

They should first ask members if they will like some kind of new rule.. they should do some survey... Members opinion should be counted in everything in which members are directly going to suffer.

AS of the your following line

This is a free forum, and as such, does not really owe you anything...

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Let me tell you... this forum in begining was nothing.. it is we, the members who contributed and made this "just another webmaster forum" to the one of the most popular webmasters forum.. DP could never repay each and ever member for their contribution...

You got your free thing answer?

If you see there are several threads opened by several members saying DP as scammers heaven... I am not only one to suffer.. there are several.. the only difference is, i took a step ahead and raised my voice to do something to stop scammers from breeding at DP...

What can we do other than to just post in thread that we got scammed? What can we do other than to make another thread saying we dont like your new rules.. nothing... all those thread gets closed... and we are again forced on the same thing....

there is a need for some change...

 

They should point directly to the post which violates their rules..

 

I've never been scammed so I dont know, but I cant agree more that the mods are being too harsh with the rules. If they want to have strict and MANY rules, I think it would be great to atleast have an organised rule thread listing down all their rules clearly in number sequence (eg, rule #1, rule #2) and decent format, and then when they give someone infraction or ban someone, state which rule he or she has broken. It's clearer that way.

eg.. BST> Domains can have it's own set of rules, but they should state clearly and link to the general BST thread stating that the general BST rules also applies to BST Domains.


For example, even when I'm given the link in my complaint thread yesterday, I couldnt find the rule regarding bumping and debumping only until just now when I read through that thread again. It's definitely not obvious since there are 8 stated rules over there and the rule regarding bumping and debumping isnt even numbered. (yeh, so only now do I realise I broke the rules). I'm sure we wouldnt mind helping to organise the rules if the mods need help with that.)

Also, they shouldnt dig up dead threads to give further infractions, that's what happened to me. I got infractions for bumping and debumping (and didnt know there was such a rule) so I posted a complain thread here, then after that I got 2 more infractions for my old posts (mainly my sales thread 1 or 2 weeks ago). Not very wise I think, because if every old threads are digged up to give more infractions, it's never ending work yeh? imo, infractions should only be given to active threads on the spot. Also, I did the bumping and debumping method because I was already warned by fellow DP members for mass bumpings in my previous sales thread, so I did less of that and came about with the bumping/debumping method. (But still, I think there should be a rule to allow us to bump once every 24 or 48 hours like in namepros. If we want to sell our stuff, posted a thread and no one replies to that thread at all, may I know if we are supposed to post another thread, or bump it up?) or just leave it dead to try our luck in other forums?


And I dont know what happened, I was supposed to be banned for 1 month shortly after my complaint/suggestion thread was closed, then the ban lifted on me after 5 minutes. Maybe different mods? Or change of decision? I dont know. But this tells us all the more theres a need for a firm ground for the rules and regulations I think.
Also, those feedback threads in the feedback/suggestion forum shouldnt be closed to be replied only by mods, defeats the purpose yeh? Let them voice out, there's no reason to close it until it's completely resolved or the angry dude starts swearing. :/

I'm glad theres this thread. Please allow bumping in BST once every 24 hours - DP is huge, our threads can be as far as on the 5th page if no one replies after a day, and we dont want that.

Please save the time to help look into scamming matters (forum police squad?xD) instead of giving infractions by digging up dead & old threads, we'll appreciate that alot.

(Ps, I think even the mods are only following a portion of ALL the rules in BST, like you see, in the rules it's stated that sales under $5 should be posted under freebies, but if you visit BST Domains, theres heaps of domains going for under $5 especially all the $1 info domains. If some rules are not being followed, please let us know what are the rules being followed~ )

 

to Sapphiro,

please be noted that worldpeace is a attorney here in our state so DP mods are not real life rule protectors,but worldpeace makes sure rules are followed properly in real life situation,so the voicing is mainly based getting affected people to raise their voice to the mods and admins of dp,since most doesn't voiced well untill now.
I want all the victims to raise against the scammers and I personally stand by worldpeace to voice against this revolutionary act to make this DP clean.

in my experience 8/10 turns out to be scammers(so far i have met in dp) this is just my experince and its nothing to do with any good and honest members.
its damn tough to find diamond pieces out of glass.

digiguy

 

Whilst I agree something needs to be done to protect honest traders I don't think the rules are too harsh, "pm me" and "i'm interested" type posts are just junk posts which have no value or meaning, and if a seller asks you to post in the thread to say "i'm interested" and doesn't allow you to pm them then I think THEY are breaking the rules, as your not allowed to ask people to bump your threads for example to make you say "pm me for domain/url".

Something should be done about scammers innocent members seem to be the ones who end up punished sometimes, we're not allowed to warn other members except via negative itrader and it's fairly obvious a lot of people don't bother reading itraders, how long does it take to read over someones itrader, less than a minute? I'm not saying for a second the mods aren't doing theyre jobs, they do a great job infact, think how big this forum is and how few mods there are and think how much crap they have to put up with, frankly i dont blame them if they're a little trigger happy as they have to put up with the same stupid whining, the same stupid questions, the same old bs over and over again thats bound to make anyone a little cranky

Yes I agree there are problems on dp with scammers just now which need to be adressed, issues like these won't just go away and if it's not adressed it will end up having an effect on the rest of the forum, honest members are being hurt and very little is being done about it (no disrespect towards staff) DP B/S/T is becoming known on some other forums as scammer central and i'm pretty sure that this is not what shawn wants, who on earth would?

 

Yes, DP could be better w/ some changes.

But the rules that are in-place now will not change any time soon.

As far as getting "scammed", a little common sense goes a long way.