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I sent you a pm.

 

I got your PM and replied above. Check my replies to your PM on page 6 of this thread.

 

You will GET EVERY PENNY BACK. There is no way, the bank will take his side.

In fact, I got a guy in Turkey in BIG trouble for trying to scam me. It is VERY easy to lean on the end user via the bank and financial networks.

You might need a few contacts/connections and I will help you with that. Don't worry.

Once you see the transaction number, immediately file the dispute via your creditcard customer service(NOT THE BANK).

One of the recent effects of terrorism is it is VERY easy to track the end users money and the money trail (who exactly is receiving & with drawing the funds). In fact, I got the cops from Turkey to give my scammer a call. He almost peed in his pants.

DO NOT CLOSE THE DISPUTE with paypal. Initiate the dispute with the credit card once you have the transaction number on the online credit card statement.

 

Thanks for your help. I should invite your a beer if I live near you! I will give you some information via pm

 

It is kinda fun sometimes to scare the shit out of scammers.

My best experience was when I called one guy at 8am and he was shocked as to how I got his number. In fact, I read out his b'day, age, school he was in, street he lived and his gf's name. He refunded me my money within 7 mins.

I still get a good laugh, when I remember the tremble in his voice.

Most scammers think they can get away. But they don't realise the amount of information, that is logged in an electronic transaction.

It takes a little more time in some cases. It is easier if it is an international scammer, as the privacy laws are non-existent and you can extract info more easily. In US, it could be a bit harder, but fortunately, the FBI connections help in those cases

Well, I live in Bay area, California. Message me when you are here & you can buy me that beer

 

Hey imneo, I am glad you jumped into the thread you are not connected with and gave us such wisdom to handle these issues.

Do you mind, if I PM you for one such incidence I have gone through?

 

sure.. I have little time to spare today as I had to take a sick day. So, no work Had this terrible headache most time today.

 

I am really happy to get advice from many kind members here! Even I will have to do something back to you when everything is finished!

Again thank you very much!

 

Also, everyone who gave reputation points for my posts, Thank you

 

Another question for you that you didn't mention. What about funds already in your paypal account. You never had to use a credit card or the bank? What suggestions do you have for that?

 

I think for those cases you are at Paypal's mercy (but correct me if I'm wrong, iamneo). That's why I usually use a credit card-funded Paypal payment for major purchases. Credit card companies do much better in protecting their customers than do Paypal.

 

Just curious why this man here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=136421


has been banned . But why the guy who scammed my still "alive" to sell his site!

 

I believe that guy is banned becuase he bumped his thread many times so more then 10 infractions=ban!!..
Saad

 

In this particular case, the buyer did a lot of investigating..... AFTER the payment was sent. If the buyer had put in the effort before payment, this thread would have died ages ago and the scammer would have been outed here before anyone got scammed. The buyer would have learned about the 2 bogus licenses and ended it right then and there.

I'm not blaming the buyer. It's definitely the scammer's fault. But, I'll bet the buyer checks these things next time. Buyer beware.

And, since the buyer got scammed through no fault of their own, it only adds insult to injury that the seller's iTrader rating and comments are allowed to stand.

 

Yeah! I agree with you about this point. Before I did ask sellers to give me home phone number and everything but this time I believed him and thing was different. But I do believe that I can get money back now. The scammer will get nothing but in the black list of the police

 

Yes you are right. Do not use paypal funds for digital items. As in any case, one of they key factor that helps you win a dispute is EVIDENCE.

Keep as much documentation as possible of the whole situation to prove your case. I take screenshots and convert them to .pdf of .jpg files and save them for records for EVERY SALE. So the seller or buyer cannot scam you or say/change his word later. The buyer/seller has about 60 days typically to file a dispute wiht a credit card and 45 days with paypal.

If you are being honest, disputing via creditcard is easiest and safe. Paypal is less inclined to fight for you for digital items.

 

Also, VERY TRUE.

Don't just paypal funds to some random guy because he is selling you a domain at a great price. You will lose ALL your money and that is never a great deal

You need to ask & verify the information, BEFORE the transaction. I wish the buyer in this case had verified all the licenses before sending the money. That would have avoided the whole situation like someone mentioned here.

Here is a small check list before you buy (not complete, but basic)

1) Verify the COMPLETE functionality of the item (BEFORE payment)

2) Verify the persons' details if it is a large transaction/feedback of the person on ebay or elsewhere (make sure it is that person, by sending him a message on ebay and receiving a reply)

The older the person's account here or ebay, paypal, lesser is the chance for fraud. Beware of people who have new accounts everywhere. It is possible that they just created accounts to cheat/scam someone or created another new account since the older accounts were banned due to illegal activity. If a person scams once, there is a GOOD possibility he could do it again. So refuse to deal with people who have too much negative feedback. A person with excellent reputation would try to help you and resolve the issue

4) Verify the legality of the site, domain, licenses BEFORE you buy: No point in paying large money for a illegal site. You will inherit the legal headaches by paying money and owning the site

5) Verify the OWNERSHIP (domain, site, software) BEFORE you pay

6) When in doubt or for large transactions, USE ESCROW service

7) Create a clear legal agreement/proof of the terms of the sale so that you have everything in writing. The more official the better, but in most cases, email & forum posts are considered legal and binding. Sometimes it might be a dispute as to his word against yours. So clear terms will help fix the situation.

8) DO NOT USE wire transfers or western union EVER. They leave very little or no trail. If someone is insisting on those as the ONLY form of payment, there is a good chance of fraud.

E-Gold is dangerous form of payment too. Unless you trust a person and it is a small amount, egold is not safe/advisable.

9) IF you are selling and accept check, make sure it clears and it is authentic. Give it about 10 days domestic (US) and 30 days (international)

10) Verify everything even if you are using a credit card or paypal. Credit card protects you in cases like above where the fraud is VERY blatantly clear. It will not protect you always.

If you chargeback too often with a credit card, The CC company can close your account and report you to collection agencies, credit bureaus etc. Also, if you file a chargeback illegally, the seller can sue you, report you to collections and ruin your credit history. So make sure you are on firm footing and have good evidence/documentation.

AGAIN, verify the roots of a person, a newer person is far more likely to commit a fraud and crime rather than an older established person. I don't mean all new guys are fraud. I am relatively new to this forum Make a call, talk to him or ask him to call you, check his feedback else where. He may be new here but have an excellent reputation elsewhere ( I have 99.9+ on ebay).

 

You don't have a clue how much legal trouble you could be in! All this for lousy $500 ? If you want to ruin your life, do it atleast over a larger amount.

Here is what the buyer can do to you.

1) Report you to FBI internet crimes and have a case open on you and with your aliases. ANYTIME you apply for a visa or enter the US, there is a possibility that someone could escort you to a jail once you land in the US. Your name/aliases could show up during screening. The least they can do is bar you from entering forever.

2) Any business license, deal could hit a potential roadblock once you are in the database. It is the digital age. Storage is VERY CHEAP (30cents /GB). There is no need to delete the information ever due to lack of space.

3) You will not get the money. Paypal already blocked the funds. The best you can do is return the funds.

4) Paypal will have to refund the buyer eventually. You cannot stop that. SO why not just give the money back and move on?

5) Paypal can open a file on you and report you to collections and law enforcements. Doesn't matter if you not in US or a US citizen, the crime was committed on US soil (via paypal)

6) What you are doing could fall under US WIRE FRAUD. You could go to prison for a LONG time even if the amount is small.

I can't believe how stupid you are being. You won't gain a penny off this transaction and yet have a lot to lose.

Refund the seller his money BEFORE this snow balls into something large.

Email paypal to refund the money or reply to the dispute asking paypal to refund the money to the buyer. Paypal will refund the money then and close the dispute/claim.

You still have a chance to come out without ANY harm as long as you refund the money. If you don't do it within 10 days, you will have a lot more to pay.

Trust me, I don't feel sorry for the buyer, he will get all his money back. I feel sorry for you about the potential quagmire you will be in the rest of your life!

 

i suggest you don't post here, me and vnjporg are trying to come up with something, also everything you posted is a complete lie, paypal gave me around 6 e-mails since the claim , and they failed to mention any of those above. so i'm taking paypal's logic rather then some bafoon who makes himself look like a hero.

 

Trust me. They give you 90 days to repay paypal once there is a chargeback and refund the seller's CC company. If you don't comply in those 90 days, they will set free their blood hounds on to you. Till then they will play real nice. After that, only God can save you from a free fall.

I doubt if you EVER read paypal's UA or TOS. Do that first and then get back to me.