IE8 vs FF3

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by worldman, Mar 20, 2008.

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Who will win?

  1. IE8

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  2. FF3

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  3. Undecided

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    6.8%
  1. cybermatic

    cybermatic Peon

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    #21
    I'm going with FF. I've got he beta running now and love it.
     
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  2. PaddyL

    PaddyL Active Member

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    #22
    :confused: My FF never deletes its cache unless I ask it to, even when it crashes. Besides, with me, FF hardly ever crashes, whereas IE crashes often. That's the only reason I initially changed to FF, but now I'd hate to do without FF's add-ons.


    What's the "W3 web test"?
     
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  3. Boardwalk

    Boardwalk Well-Known Member

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    #23
    I'm rooting for FF3.

    Man, that sucks BIG TIME! :p
     
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  4. kingofsanda

    kingofsanda Peon

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    #24
    Firefox is the best.
     
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  5. Algert

    Algert Well-Known Member

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    #25
    FF3 will win ! IE can never compete with firefox...
     
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  6. Proximity

    Proximity Banned

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    #26
    Lets hope both of them are good
     
    Proximity, Mar 21, 2008 IP
  7. sahmothers.com

    sahmothers.com Well-Known Member

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    #27
    IE blows, there is no way around this. Even browser like avant browser and others that are based on IE are heads and shoulders above the rest.
    I n my eyes, its
    FF any version
    Opera any version
    Avant Browser
    Maxthon








    IE any version
     
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  8. etali

    etali Well-Known Member

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    #28
    I haven't tried FF3 yet, I'm an Opera fan mostly, but if FF3 is less memory leaky than previous versions it may win me over. I do think that IE is taking over the consumer market again though, which is sad.
     
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  9. -RooneY-

    -RooneY- Peon

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    #29
    FF3 is absolutely fantastic and lightning fast. I am using it full time. Although most of the plugins dont work with it at the moment.
     
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  10. worldman

    worldman Notable Member

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    #30
    May the best browser win. IE right now is giving FF a run for its money and the open source community is kind of angry. Not even Google with its clout can sway most people into using FF. Its just like Google making an OS. Right now Windows is being packaged to developing countries like India and so on.

    Apple can't do that and Google is trying to sure up its foot on the web front as it is being threatened by MSN (who wants Yahoo) and worst of all the open source community.
     
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    WDSnav Peon

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    #31
    I prefer IE, only because of the little button to open a new tab.
     
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  12. tankard

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    #32
    Well, come on! Let me put it this way. IE is a designer friendly browser while FF is not.
    Dealing with sophisticated tables shows good results in IE while in FF there are errors and some absolutely stupid spacings where cells should match. I am keen on sophisticated designs and it always takes me extra couple of hours to optimize my layouts for FF. I will. Of course I will because I want the best quality. But why?

    WHY should I always spend extra time because of people who refuse to use a normal browser???


    The same problem with <DIV>. Forget about using multiple aligned <DIV> blocks. Eventually somebody on a FireFox would start to yell: "Come on, bloke, I cannot browse through your pages"

    Try to embed multiple flash movies without FF showing Those-Magic-One-Pixel-Spaces between movies. Have you? It is pretty tricky. Why? Do I need it? I do not need those spaces between my movies and I do not want to spend extra time removing them!!!

    Then those Add-ons. Not everyone is educated and clever not to use add-ons, which are not hosted on FF site. There are a lot of stories about people installing infected add-ons and going banana! Why? Is this what you call a secure browser? A browser that can be equipped with bogus add-ons?
     
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  13. PaddyL

    PaddyL Active Member

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    #33
    Huh :confused:? FF also has that tab.

    Actually if you load Tab Mix Plus, you get to fine-tune your tabs in all sorts of ways.
     
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  14. worldman

    worldman Notable Member

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    PaddyL Active Member

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    #35
    Well, that's a matter of opinion. I find the exact opposite; easy to design for FF, which then also works with Opera, while having to write exceptions to cater for IE.

    Well, first, the add-ons are hosted on the FF site. I'm not sure where you think the FF site is, but I get almost all my add-ons from there; the remainder come from other sites after I've had recommendations (e.g. Google toolbar).

    Second, IE also has add-ons. So those who are "uneducated" will have the problems you suspect regardless of whether they use FF or IE.

    Third, I've heard no stories -- only the very occasional rumour -- about infected add-ons. No doubt they've happened, but are they really that common? And if they are, well, I have 25 add-ons, not to mention another six or so that I've tested and didn't like, and my browser remains uninfected. I guess that sourcing the add-ons is like sourcing any other application: Use common sense and use sites with high reputation.

    Finally, why in heck are people getting so passionate about this? Surely it's a personal opinion? I like FF. That doesn't mean I'm going to think of IE users as somehow mistaken or inferior. Some people prefer Opera. It's a jolly good browser; I just prefer to use something else. IE is also a good browser (apart from crashing my computer several times a day when I used to use it).

    If we stick to the facts, rather than opinions; or our personal observations without confusing them with facts; then this interesting debate will become more useful to all readers.
     
    PaddyL, Mar 21, 2008 IP
  16. drhowarddrfine

    drhowarddrfine Peon

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    #36
    The only reason this could be happening is because you are creating pages with either 1) no doctype or 2) you use IE as your test browser. All versions of IE are 10 years behind web standards. As Microsoft has stated on their IEBlog, they have a lot to do to catch up with other browsers. So, if you design using IE, you are designing to a bug. If you use Opera or Firefox as your test browser, with a proper doctype of course, then you can generally be assured your markup will work in all modern browsers. Sometimes even in old, buggy non-standard IE. If not, there are hundreds of web sites dedicated to listing all known bugs and hacks to fix IE. You won't find any such sites for any other browser.

    Never, ever use IE as your initial test. It is IE that needs fixing, not other browsers.

    Secunia lists 3 times as many vulnerabilities than Firefox or any other browser. If you want to start rumors of add-ons, let's start talking about ActiveX. Or would you not want to? You might be too busy clicking "Are you sure you want to run this?"
     
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  17. FaNtEcH

    FaNtEcH Well-Known Member

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    #37
    I think Firefox is way better!
    Firefox is much faster atleast in my computer, and also has a lot of plug-ins which make life easier.
     
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  18. space101

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    #38
    Ie Blows, is unstable, virus ridden, and doesn't support a fraction of the plugins that FF does.
     
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  19. Yankee85

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    #39
    LOL, what brainwashing... FF didn't even passed the tests, is much slower... but anyone is sure that FF will win :)

    That's hand in hand with patriotism :D

    space101, are you so sure? And most of them are free ;)

    And I don't have problems with viruses and crashes, and I use IE and no anti-virus. Just Windows Firewall.
     
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  20. ardley216

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    #40
    people who use IE are too ignorant or can't be bothered to try anything else!
     
    ardley216, Mar 22, 2008 IP