I think the topic was Slavery and Religion, not Slavery and Islam. Its really cool to see that every one want to discuss about Islam rather than their own religion. I think that is one of the reason of growth of Islam in America and Europe, because people want to know about Islam
SolarProducts Pardon me, I didn’t want to insult you. When I told “not important how much your stories are right or where's their sources†I meant they weren’t related to religion facts and law because they just shown people behavior toward their slaves but that verse of Quran (Chapter 2: AL-BAQARA verse 178) was totally different. It tells that “the free for the free (free male), the slave for the slave, and the female for the female†just show inequality I think. Means man are equal to man, slave equal to slave and woman to woman that’s all and in continue it shows that if relatives of the victim (killed person) want to got blood money or forgive the killer then killer should be free. You know that according to Islam, relatives mean father in the first and if father didn’t existed then son and brother of victim. If America was under Islamic law then killers of Zahra Baker don’t punish at all. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1969357 yeah people want to know more about Islam but seems some Muslims aren't intrest to know more. I guess knowing Islam by non-Muslims have some othe reasons too .
Actually that verse was abrogated with this one: "And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers - of a lesser degree). " 5:45 You have once again been proven wrong.
Ya you're right the spread is not due to the boatloads of immigrants not due to the fact that there are more state backed organizations bound on the forceful spreading of Islam then there are organization campaigning for human rights . It's because ppl in Europe and US suddenly became interested in the religion that caused countless dead and enslaved among our ancestors . Most ppl in EU / US will document themselves on Islam simply due to the dictum "Know thy enemy" . Verses abrogated whit other verses from the same author , how nice . I wonder what happens if you can't read correctly . So since the vid on the last page said that all muslims are slaves then Islam is slavery , is that what you're saying Menj ?
Karl Marx was a Jew. How does it feel to know that not only was your religion plagiarized from Judiasm, but your idiotic economic beliefs are also plagiarized from a Jew? You should be wearing a kippah. You are hilariously retarded. Only in Dar al-Islam are ordinary people told what to wear, how to look, what to eat, what to become and what to say. Here in Dar al-Harb, we get to make our own choices. Islam seems to be to only major religion which still supports slavery.
Don't worry Babak . I know quite a lot about the Coran i just can't stand extremists . I just love them so much I want to put them all (islamic , christian , jewish , hindu , atheists) on a atoll an perform a nuke test .
Who is "we", I thought you are not Muslim. You are big joke, you are claiming there are no abrogations in the Quran? you are in deep sand mate, I suggest you take same English courses before discussing these topics. I can't believe people are willing to lie to make themselves feel better.
In lights of the approaching holidays and because we are both religious people I wish you a kind , warm and happy : Go to Hell
I born as a Muslim so I count a Muslim anyway, whether you and me dislike it. the meaning of abrogation http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Abrogation hope you don't say it isn't a reliable Islamic site or didn't mentioned in Al-Bukhaari book. all the verses of Quran are authenticated. do you think Quran need editing! what kind of Muslim you are? the verse 178 Chapter 2: AL-BAQARA you mentioned in your post was main source of Qisaas law in some Islamic counties as well as Iran (just had some changes in Iran from 14 years ago because it brought chaos for us). seems you more trust in Al-Bukhaari! I found out he is a Persian guy!
LOL seems your love is so wide and profound! suggest you test your nuke already and be sure your nuke work properly! lol
You don't accept we are NOT slaves. We make choices and decide to make our own lives better by lending money off someone to enhance our life right now. If I lend money to buy a house, I pay a loan instead of paying rent. Difference being, now I have a home of my own and more collateral if I want to get another loan. If I lend money to buy a car, I can travel further than I could travel on my goat. Get more things done & make more money to live by. If I didn't have a choice I'd be stuck with a goat and traveling to Mecca would be slow. Might only get there once a year. Let's see, with NO loan I can't afford somewhere to live. But I have freedom. Loan: Nice new house, new bathroom, gold taps. Now I have to work to honour the agreement made. Not slavery, just honesty. Rewarding somebody for helping me out. I make that choice entirely. Do I make myself better off or do I not? You turn credit into 'slavery' when indeed it's a well-trodden path to riches here on earth, right now. Slavery, in real terms, means you get no choice in the matter. You are forced to do whatever the master says.
First of all I don't care about Iran's shia government. Secondly, whether you like it or not there are abrogations, not everything was made "prohibited" in one go, but out of the mercy of Allaah it happened in stages, e.g. *don't drink while or before worship*, then later * no more alcohol, in or outside worship*. Therefore some verses abrogated other verses. The evidence that Allaah abrogated verses is: "Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things? " 2:216 . Thirdly, most sources you quote from are wikipedia, and in this case "thefreedictionary", what do these sources have to do anything with Islaam? nothing, you obviously are a confused man. Finally no point telling you more, since it seems you belong to the Shia occult, and you have some problems with your English as well, making it difficult for anyone to get you to understand something. The reality is that all the other religions and occults (including atheism) are dying, since they cannot be proven.
Now I know why you call yourself SolarProducts . You stayed to much in the sun and you became a solar product yourself . That explains your way of thinking and your red rep . Mr. "problem whit your English" but I'm writing "aswell" in one word . At least have the decency to double check your spelling when you're criticizing someone's English skills .
What's your problem? Really, no one in this section would be as polite to you as Babak. You're a combination of arrogance and stupidity all rolled up into one.
it is 2:106 not 2:216 and for knowing the meaning you have to read previous verse either that means the Quran is last book by God and abrogated previous God's book as Bible and Torah. see you in verge of a big sin and ask God to forgive you! think more and search via Al-Bukhaari to know the truth (list of not useful verses in Quran!!!) and prevent of doubt about Quran. you kidding me, right? just wanted to show you an English word meaning.
That's correct, I should not have used that verse as evidence, thanks for correcting me. Anyway, there is other evidence that abrogations are indeed in the Quraan: "And from the fruits of date-palms and grapes, you derive strong drink (this was before the order of the prohibition of the alcoholic drinks) and a goodly provision. Verily, therein is indeed a sign for people who have wisdom." Quraan 16:67 Allaah tells us here that we derive "strong drink", meaning alcohol from date palms and grapes, the verse and it's context indicates that alcohol was at one point permissible. So here comes the abrogation: "O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), gambling, Al-Ansab, and Al-Azlam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaitan's (Satan) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful. " Quraan 5:90 In this verse Allaah has prohibited alcohol. So that my friend is the evidence. And I remember you saying that "what kind of Muslim are you" "you think Quraan has to be edited" or something along those lines. I ask that you refrain from this type of talk since you yourself have confirmed that Allaah does indeed abrogate things, as the Torah and the Gospel of Jesus have been abrogated. Abrogation does not mean the "correcting of mistakes" but rather enhancing and bettering laws, and as a mercy to mankind Allaah has in stages prohibited things for indeed He knows that man is not able to give up everything at once. Hopefully this subject is finished now. SP