Why Islam allow men to treat women like dirt http://answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm#_Toc160373808 THE QURAN ON WIFE BEATING Below are 6 English versions of the Quran verse 4:34. This passage lays the foundation for wife beating. I provided all these to show their similarity. These translations are all from recognized scholars. I have corrected some archaic spelling. My comments are in [ ] type brackets. Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great! Rodwell[1] ['Refractoriness' means hard or impossible to manage, stubbornly disobedient']. Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. Dawood[2] Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great. Pickthall[3] Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great. Arberry[4] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. Shakir[5] Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). Ali[6] ...Following are a number of various Hadith relative to wife beating. Again, I have edited several of these because of length. ABU JAHM, A WELL KNOW WIFE BEATER Sahih Muslim[9], Book 009, Number 3512: …When my period of 'Idda was over, I mentioned to him [Muhammad] that Mu'awiya b. Abu Sufyan and Jahm had sent proposal of marriage to me, whereupon Allah's said: As for Abu Jahm, he does not put down his staff from his shoulder, and as for Mu'awiya, he is a poor man having no property; marry Usama b. Zaid. I objected to him, but he again said: Marry Usama; so I married him. Allah blessed there in and I was envied (by others). Book 009, Number 3526: …So I informed him [Muhammad]. (By that time) Mu'awiya, Abu Jahm and Usama b. Zaid had given her the proposal of marriage. Allah's Messenger said: So far as Mu'awiya is concerned, he is a poor man without any property. So far as Abu Jahm is concerned, he is a great beater of women, but Usama b. Zaid... She pointed with her hand (that she did not approve of the idea of marrying) Usama. But Allah's Messenger said: Obedience to Allah and obedience to His Messenger is better for thee. She said: So I married him, and I became an object of envy. Book 009, Number 3527: …She said: Mu'awiya and Abu'l-Jahm were among those who had given me the proposal of marriage. Thereupon Allah's Apostle said: Mu'awiya is destitute and in poor condition and Abu'l-Jahm is very harsh with women (or he beats women, or like that), you should take Usama b. Zaid (as your husband). COMMENT These three Hadith illustrate that some Muslim husbands could legally beat their wives without any retaliatory consequences. Abu Jahm was known to beat his wives and to treat them harshly. Although Muhammad may not have cared for it, wife beating was certainly allowed within the Islamic community. These hadith also illustrate that wife beating is per the discretion of the husband. Not all Muslim husbands beat their wives as Abu Jahm. There was variation in the Muslim community and this variation existed because the husband determined when it was needed. What may be an unimportant infraction to one husband could be a great offense to another.
I love the fact you get an ad for muslim singles showing pictures of muslim gals. Are they up for the beatings?
Here is a theory with exact instructions on how to do it properly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRCtKNBfzwY And here is how it is implemented: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbrkTeVJlnQ peace peace peace salaam waahalhsilailailaii wallshsallel salaam
The problem with every single "troubled" society is how they believe creation happened. Every single revolution that brought more "rights" was brought by negating the story of Genesis. There is no mainstream religious myth of creation where all people were created equal. That is something deeper, much more Illuminated; Islam's problem goes back to the first man and woman and the Muslim's dogmatic approach to that belief.
More on wife beating http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-wife-beating-toothbrush.htm Wife beating in Islam today: A Pakistan Muslim Imam wrote a book called, "Tufat-ul-Nisa" ("Gift to Women") teaches that a husband should physically beat his wife just as the Koran says. In Spain, an Islamic leader named, Muhammad Kamal Mustafa, who functions as an Imam for a mosque and is viewed as a scholar, wrote a book called, "Women in Islam", which openly instructs how a man should beat his wife. The BBC reports that Muhammad Kamal Mustafa "recommends verbal correction followed by a period of sexual abstinence as the best punishment for a wife, but does not rule out a beating as long as it is kept within strict guidelines... to avoid serious damage, a husband should never hit his wife in a state of extreme or blind anger. He should never hit sensitive parts of the body such as the face, head, breasts or stomach. He should only hit the hands or feet using a rod that is thin and light so that it does not leave scars or bruises on the body. The husband's aim, the writer said, should be to cause psychological suffering and not to humiliate or physically abuse his wife (‘Spanish Women’s Fury at Islamic Advice’, BBC, 24, July 2000). Of course the woman of Spain were outraged! Six translations of Qur'an 4:34 The "word of Allah" in the Koran is clear and unmistakable! Exactly mirroring all legal systems that administer increasingly harsher penalties for continued wrongdoing, the Koran says the Husband should first verbally admonish her, next ground her to the bedroom like a child, and finally when all else fails, to beat her. We must say that such a verse is shocking. Documentation from Muslim scholars who specifically mention the toothbrush (miswak) We are not making up the "toothbrush". The idea originated with Islamic scholars who set the maximum size of the wife beating stick to be no larger than a "miswak" (a small natural toothbrush). Of course, this is only one of many interpretations of Koran 4:34. No Muslim denies that the Koran says a man can beat his wife, they merely argue among themselves as to how large the stick is. Some Islamic countries actually legislate the size of the stick! What the Hadith says about wife beating . The hadith are Islamic historical documents, though not considered the word of Allah, are used by all Muslims as a reference for their religion. These Hadith give us glimpses of early Islamic life. They show us how women were thought of, and how they were treated. Later Islamic scholars were able to draw from these stories and develop an Islamic system of life. But, what the scholars, and Muslim leaders did was accurate, based upon the Hadith. If wives were beaten with Muhammad’s approval, then that practice should continue today. Are women allowed to vote in Islam in those countries that are run by Shariah law? Well first, Shariah law is usually a dictatorship where NO ONE is allowed to vote! For example, Indonesia is a dictatorship. Egypt is a single party state backed by the military. Sudan held their first general elections in 1996 and woman are allowed to vote.
I think if we are not Muslim we should respect their tradition I'm not a Muslim. And I think Muslim wife has their own law to follow in their religion and I think they know that as much as we.
Debunked - you make me laugh. Maste' - as a women I find a lot of comfort when men hold such strong views. mokmok69 - you disgust me somewhat if I am honest. Respecting a tradition that in this case is wife beating makes you as bad as a wife beater. Do you have a wife, partner or girlfriend? If so please show her this post so she can kick you in the balls. (Although if you are open with this view no self respecting woman would touch you.) Thanks to the OP for such a long post that clearly took time to prepare.
I am A Muslim.. Man Not allow to beat his wife. your view is wrong about Islam.. and You did not understand such Hadith
If all of those translations are somehow wrong, then how about printing the "real" one duhki? I've never read a Qu'ran with the "scourge" part but have read two with "beat them" in it. Are you saying that the Qu'ran is wrong?
I am glad I make you laugh, not many get my humor, sometimes I don't myself. It is interesting how there are women in relationships all over the world where the guy does beat them and they don't leave, worse is when there are children involved. These so called men are obviously too weak minded and not real men if you ask me. As far as needed to beat a wife??? What good is a religion that needs the wife beat into submission? What kind of relationship is it since there isn't any love to hold it together? The woman is forced to remain by penalty of death in many cases. These men are little wimps that need your prescription above or better yet, a full removal of the the organ they are using in place of their brain.
Dear DP friends. I think we must keep clean our DP from Political things.... It is very sad fact that... manipulated things out of context are described... such peoples are not sincere with their own religion. because they lie and do manipulation in words.. i am not a religious person myself, but i know there is nothing such in islam. I read in a book about "Quran" and it is something which is open to experiment for everybody... the writer says.... The Quran have a great miracle in itself. Its words , each and every word.. is same in whole world... mean if you get Quran from any part of world, Its words are exactly same.."it does not mean many peoples never tried to change them but never succeeded" No one could ever change a word or a line in Quran thats miracle of Quran.....and its a open to excrement. any body anywhere in the world happen to travel a foreign country...give a try to this .. I respect all religions,
Now you are asking for your head to be removed. Are you suggesting that everyone one try taking a dump on the quran? Isn't there a death sentence for even suggesting that?
Hello all hatemongers, Islam haters, and welcome to "let's bash Islam together" thread... before we start talking about women & religion (not only Islam) I would like to mention that so many European women are converting to Islam, why? oh why? some hate monger may ask! and you hear them shouting with anger: don't they know that Islam treat women like animals! even worse!! don't they know that Muslims hate women! don't they know that women are prisoners in Islam in that veil! don't they know women in Saudi can't get a driving license!! don't they know women in Islam inherit half what a man inherits!! why? why? why? if you are one of these, then be easy on yourself, you can ask them, Why European women are turning to Islam and in general, Islam growth rate is higher than world population growth rate, between 1934 and 1984: - Christianity increased 47% - World Population increased 136% - Islam increased 235% this is according to "World Almanac and Book of Facts 1935" and "Reader's Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983", Islam growing in a rate that is higher than world population growing rate, so no smart asses out there, it is not because Muslims are giving birth like crazy, it is because many non-Muslims are reverting to Islam, so it is normal, for Islam haters, to intense their hate campaigns when Islam becomes close to them, not against Muslims, Muslims do not care because these campaigns are not new, we are used to it, they started since Islam started to spread, but these campaigns are targeting those who may want to revert to Islam, especially women, and that's after these women know that a religion that says: "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3} can't be true! and a religion that says: "How can a woman have anything; whatever is hers belongs to her husband?" (San. 71a, Git. 62a) can't be true! and a religion that hold the woman responsible for an original sin, can't be truth, a religion that says women must shut up in Church, and if they have a question to wait till they go home and ask their husbands, is also, can't be true. and a community that treat women as sex objects, is not healthy, a community that use women bodies to promote useless goods, does not seem OK, a community that in general judge women by worthiness if she did not look like a certain movie star, is not fair, a community that give women rights only if they became males, is not a good community. many women will then try to find themselves out of such communities, and if this happened, do not blame it to Islam, but blame it to your own community failure in that regard. in order not to give Islam haters another opportunity, to blow out their hate fire, and in order not to discuss again what been discussed already on these forums many times, I will finish here by saying, if you truly want to know the status of women in Islam, you can check the so many sources online, here is a big one, but do not be limited to it, read both, anti-Islam, and Islamic sites, do not take my word, or hate mongers word, check yourself, and be the judge, I also recommend you to check the previous "let's bash Islam together" thread on these forums, that was talking about the same topic, it speaks about wife-beating and you will find info there about whether it is allowed to beat wives in Islam or not? it also talks about women status in Islam in general: How To Beat Your wife Proper rules From Quran
When they have more children than they can feed and beat wifes/deny food if they refuse sex then obviously the population will explode. It's something to be ashamed of rather than proud of.
Typical Imad response... But now that we see the picture of how mad you are it makes sense that your name is Imad.