How To Beat Your wife Proper rules From Quran

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Follow these rules properly and allah will reward you with 72 virgins.......

Remember allah says "never beat your wife on the face", "Don't broke the bones" " Never punch on face" rest is ok........you can get virgins

 

so what? you do not have to follow these rules. only for muslems. make your point.

 

There's a reason for veils.

 

That's disgusting. I think they believe that from this Quran verse...

In the Quran it says, "4:34-36 "(34). Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

I did read an interesting alternative Muslim viewpoint, it's just a thought, as I'm not really aware of any other Muslims that has come to this conclusion, but he actually believes this Quran verse may have been mistranslated. He said, "Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The issue with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English..." What he seems to believe is that if someone is fighting with his wife to try reasoning, if no resolution don't share the same bed, if still no resolution perhaps "leave" the house temporarily. How he came to this conclusion, is explained more fully here.

It would be interesting to know, do any Muslims here agree with his interpretation? If not, do you believe the Quran gives you the right to beat your wife? What do you think?

 

most religions are written the way fortune tellers see your future. the meaning are subject to the thinking of each person. humans do what they want to do. even if the language was more strict, they would always find a way to belive what they want to belive.
for example thou shall not kill gets changed to thou shall not murder.
if you are looking to why people do evil things try looking into human nature rather religion. you will find your answer there.

 

Rebecca, I don't know what the Quran or Hadith say... but there are people who justify domestic violence claiming God gave them that right. I always knew there was something wrong with this reasoning. A loving God won't do such injustice.

 

somebody asked for more info ..

source: Islam and wife beating

read the answer here:

Does Islam Allow Wife Beating?

 

Wife beating in the muslim societies is not very common, but not too rare either.
If a muslim woman marries a beating husband, that's tough luck. However, it is not the worst the can happen to a muslim woman:

There is another phenomenon occuring only in muslim societies called "Honor Killing". This is exercised when one of the women in the family do not comply with the "moral" standards of the family, as defined by the male members of the family. this can include falling in love, having pre-marriage sex, or sometimes simply flirting with too many men. In this case, her brother, father, or cousin has the right to execute her. In some muslim countries, that is not defined as murder.

A very famous event happened 2 years ago in Israel, in a family (an arab family, can be more accurately called "a tribe", may reach more than 1,000 individuals through marriage between 2nd 3rd 4th etc' degree relatives) where 6 women from the same family where murdered in 8 years. For the first time, the women broke silence, spoke with the Israeli police and testified against the murderers. For the first time in the history of Israel, after hundreds of mureders, the murderer has been imprisoned. Modernization of the traditional arab society in Israel is one of the keys for a better future in my country.


more reading for those who are interested in the subject of Honor killing in the arab & muslim societies:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961228.html (and "related articles" at the end of the article)
http://www.merip.org/mer/mer206/ruggi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=70634 (Honor killings in Jordan, for imad and his lovely "answers")
and many more....

The horrible "honor killing" must also be the fault of the apartheid fascist nazi zionist occupation and the stealing of the palestinian land. indeed imad?

 

Well chaos, the Quran does not have anything about Honour killings. But since Muslims are under obligation to respect and follow the Torah and the Bible, as these books have also come from God, the Arabs are simply following the instructions from the Bible, but to a lesser extent. We believe in moderation...

 

You are doing it again. You do not refer to what I am saying.
I am not speaking about the quran nor the bible, I was just mentioning honor killings in muslim societies, in reference with the topic of the thread.

No similar events, despite this and that quote that you give (that say against nothing), occur in the jewish society. Honor killings, regardless of the quran, is a phenomenon which is only seen in muslim societies. I believe you know perfectly well what I'm talking about. Unlike Iran, not a single gay was executed in the history of the state of Israel. Tel-Aviv is actually considered one of the coolest gay capitals of europe.... Unlike Jordan, afghanistan, and syria, no woman was ever executed in Israel by the state or by her family due to sexual reasons. What is then the worth of the above quotes in relation with reality and this discussion? absolute none, as I am already used to expect from you: I didn't expect you to write what an intellectual, with the slightest sense of honesty, should feel himself obliged to write: "ChaosTrivia, u're right, that's horrible, that must stop. It is a shame on the muslims". You go on with the same attitute: "islam, and muslims, are angels. the most perfect human beings on earth. all the rest is trash".

p.s. you didn't reply to my counterarguments in the other thread yet. having trouble using your brain?
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1336313
enough with the worthless quote. use your brain man. Convince me you have one! In the other thread a "Chaostrivia, u're right again, I was not thinking logically" would do the job.

 

About honour killings,

ChaosTrivia, u're right, that's horrible, that must stop.

About the other thread,

Chaostrivia, u're wrong again, you are not thinking logically

 

@chaos
in other societies it is called different things like jealousy. oj simson comes to mind . you keep on telling yourself that there is a legitamate reason for your bigotry. but there is not. there never is. all people are the same.

 

then please write a detailed explanation refuting my argument in the other thread. show how the facts mentioned combined with simple logic confirm the hidden claim of your initial post: that the "zionist lobby" is controlling western universities (or have ANY kind of influence on the academic life). because the santa barbara story actually serve to prove exactly the opposite... as follows from my reasoning....
naturally feel free to add more facts or anything that can assist your argumentation. Quotes from irrelevant persons/verses of holi books are not included.

Good luck.

 

Yeah, I agree.

In both links it says, "However, in some cases a husband may use some light disciplinary action in order to correct the moral infraction of his wife, but this is only applicable in extreme cases and it should be resorted to if one is sure it would improve the situation. However, if there is a fear that it might worsen the relationship or may wreak havoc on him or the family, then he should avoid it completely."

If you agree with that statement, can you provide examples of how "light disciplinary action" of your wife would ever improve the situation?

It goes on to say, "It is important to read the section fully. One should not take part of the verse and use it to justify one's own misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor condones it. It guides us to ways to handle delicate family situation with care and wisdom. The word "beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean "physical abuse". The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) explained it "dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that leaves no mark". He further said that face must be avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush."

If we go with the "some other scholars" viewpoint, why do you think they believe tapping their wife with a toothbrush would solve marital disputes?

Another issue, this statement they made claiming Muhammad never hit any female...

"Generally, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to discourage his followers from taking even this measure. He never hit any female, and he used to say that the best of men are those who do not hit their wives. In one hadith he expressed his extreme repulsion from this behavior and said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?” (Al-Bukhari, English Translation, vol. 8, Hadith 68, pp. 42-43)

Yet, I thought I would mention this...

In your opinion, did Muhammad hit Aisha or not? It may be a mistranslation, perhaps it's symbolic? What do you think? In both links you provided it says, "However, in some cases a husband may use some light disciplinary action in order to correct the moral infraction of his wife". So is it fair to say that this is what you believe? I've been reading different Muslim viewpoints on the net, and it seems a lot of Muslims support this verse but justify it by saying it's a last resort or you should hit lightly. In my opinion, physical coercion and punishment has no place in a marriage.

 

Is there any need to give all these explanations to these people? they are not posting stuff because they want to understand Islam or its principles , the intentions are clear.
The logic and explanations will only work when someone is genuinely interested in learning not on a group of wackos

And let me sum it up ... You might think of us as crazy, idiot, barbaric or whatever but if something is in our religion then we have to follow it, good or bad, right or wrong is none of your business

 

The need is for those who are really interested in more info, not the ones you mentioned of course, those are working as a debating tool, they serve the purpose of covering many aspects for those who truly want to know, but what they try to do always is to give a bad image about Islam and Muslims, it may work for a while, but of course truth is much stronger than these tries, and they help in creating more awareness about Islams and Muslims,

so do not feel bothered about it, it's good to have them here, and reply them, not cos they deserve a reply, but again cos they halp in building some contents to those who truly want to know,

on the topic, Islam among the three Abrahamic religions, is the most religion who respect women, in Jewish tradition for example, Judaism confronts the beating of wife, yet its rarely a discussed subject despite it is deadly for these poor women, check this book by a brave Jewish woman who broke the silence, and is helping to save other women in the Israeli Jewish community were one out of six or seven women are beaten regularly beaten at home, of those 40,000 end hospitalized, and their men will later come to pick on Muslim for a verse in Quran which they do not understand, or do not want to understand.

Judaism Confronts Wife-Beating

and if you research you will find not only the most influenced Rabbis encourage such practices, but also the Government there (whish is supposed to be democratic) using some kind of weird court system, allow those Rabbis and the abusers to get away with it,

this is sadly does not stay in "home" but the general thinking there for these religious men with that great influence, is that women are something inferior to men, as it appears in the religious texts:

when they put this and many others in practice the result is this:

source

Thanks God for Islam!

 

Thanks and alright, I understand your point

 

Muhammad never hit Aisha, if you took some little effort to google the sentence you had in bold, you would have easily found this:

source

while you are here Rebecca, and as a Jewish woman who seems so concerned about women issues, have you been aware about the fact that 1 of 6 or 7 Jewish women are beaten regularly, if yes, what did you do about it?

 

You know what you call a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing. You already told her twice....

 

That's the difference I see between Muslims and Christians and why I loathe Christians less. Christians these days, for the most part, don't follow all the barbaric and backwards teachings in the bible. For example, even in the US, which is considered the mecca(excuse the reference) for western Christianity, people who would espouse the stuff quoted from leviticus are severely marginalized.

Muslims still take their teachings 100% literally and seriously, which is why they are more dangerous.
I don't think it's the religions that account for the difference in behavior or difference in degree of literal interpretation or adherence though, I think it has more to do with culture/society in which the followers spring from.

If we didn't have the foundation of law and principle that we do I'm sure that the Falwells(sp?) of western-christian society would take us to a place that is not too different from what you see in the muslim world.