Zionist Lobby Targets Another Tenured Professor By Doug Henwood Here is an interview with the Professor... Source: http://thomaspainescorner.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/gaza-is-israels-warsaw/ Doug Henwood is the editor of the Left Business Observer and host of WBAI’s Behind the News.
LOL Couldn't you find anything more negligible, unintersting and less important than this? or you happily jump on every anti-Israeli material you find like a bird of prey, regardless of how unimportant it is? What is the argument? what is the historical background? what is your reasoning? what can the people learn from this? Absolutely worthless thread. But I won't let you down. I treat also the subject: 1) By mentioning the "similarities" (of the type which you can find between anything to anything) and ignoring the substantial, fundamental, differences, he is putting the reputation of institution to laugh and disgrace. The fact that he is a tenure professor doesn't exclude the possibility that he is an idiot... and a parallel between Gaza and Warsaw is a display of ignorance. 2) In case you wanted actually to say that "western universities are controlled by the jewish lobby": Unlike what the title suggests, he was not suspended by the "zionist lobby", but by his fellow professors. In some universities it takes more than 2/3 of the professors to get you suspended. So, are you suggesting that the Santa Barbara university is controlled by the zionist lobby? Or, since we've heared of such case only from Santa Barbara university, does that mean that all other western universities, from which you will never hear such crap, are controlled by the "zionist lobby"? Your hate to Israel makes you fish the web for this unimportant articles that you take pleasure on reading. I am very sorry for you. Isn't it about time that you will decide to turn from a propaganda quoter to an intellectual? p.s. Gaza&Warsaw have nothing to do with sociology. What kind of professor sends spam mails to the students expressing his personal political opinions? that is already another reason for suspension, even if he was the most enthusiastic zionist.
Gaza is Israel’s Warsaw - a vast concentration camp that confined and blockaded Palestinians, subjecting them to the slow death of malnutrition, disease and despair, nearly two years before their subjection to the quick death of Israeli bombs. We are witness to a slow-motion process of genocide (Websters: “the systematic killing of, or a program of action intended to destroy, a whole national or ethnic groupâ€), a process whose objective is not so much to physically eliminate each and every Palestinian than to eliminate the Palestinians as a people in any meaningful sense of the notion of people-hood. Committee to defend Academic Freedom has been set up to defend Prof Robinson from the predators in ADL. --> http://sb4af.wordpress.com/ Noam Chomsky defends Prof. Robinson Richard Falk, United Nations Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories, says Gaza is just like the Warsaw Ghetto Richard Falk: Gaza Op Seems To Be War Crime Of Greatest Magnitude Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-falk/understanding-the-gaza-ca_b_154777.html Richard Falk is Jewish, so he may not be labeled an anti-semite. He's just another truth seeker like the rest of us. God forgive the delusional Israelis... They don't know what they are doing.
Arab Woman Speaks Out Against Islam. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQsFY7n1XQ4 she is an Arab, have fun watching
Why do you equate Arabs with Muslims? There are hundreds of thousands of Arab Christians and Arab Jews as well. And speaking of Muslims, Arabs constitute only 20% of the world's Muslim population. There are Muslims across the world. Almost 10 million Muslims in the US itself. Your ignorance is not your fault. You must read more. And I'd suggest you read from neutral sources rather than from hate sites.
that was the full uncut version of the version you yourself quoted (btw even the one you quoted is from a Muslim source which is al-jazeera channel) but that's ok, here it is again from a non-mulim or arab source http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/4/Wafa-Sultan-refuted-part-1-of-4-487812.html
gauharjk you post doesn't say anything, again. What are you trying to say? I don't understand you. You did not reply to my arguments. Is it useless to argue with you? or is it your pleasure in life, pasting to this forum completely worthless anti-Israel material from negligible websites containing private cases and worthless quotes from unimportant people? These are my arguments, number one I add: he got suspended because he was ashaming the other professors. This kind of "intellectual shame" is something not familiar to you. I enhance and explain further my argument: forget about that guy in santa barbara. The fact that this event you mentioned made it to the news and that he got banned implies that it is not the common academic opinion in the world, that the Gaza and Warsaw ghetto are alike. Basic logic. You Agree? OK. now I ask: How come, then? is it due to zionist lobby? do the jews control the universities worldwide? are 99.9% of the professors in the western world stupid? What is your reply?. number two There is nothing academic in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is pure politics and by definition, there is no chance in the world that the santa barbara professor would know more about gaza and warsaw ghetto than I do. Simply because I live the palestinian conflict, and dedicate much of my spare time to learn more and more about the holocaust. I extend further: In ALL of the western universities, a professor is NOT allowed to express political opinions. There were already cpl of Israeli professors who were laid off for expressing their political opinions. Also a UK professor who refused to receive an Israeli for a phD position, and was even stupid enough to write that the ground for refusal is his military service. The Israeli guy send a letter to the dean, the professor was laid off by the other professors. Must be the "zionist lobby" again.... What is your reply? Noam Chomsky is Israeli who happens also to be a Israel-hater (impressed again by the Israeli pluralism?). Richard Falk is a nice jewish guy, you said. So? He is also entitled to have his own view. I bet he knows very little about Israel..... Do you consider him to be an upper intellectual & historical authority ? You can quote dozen more idiots. This still means absolutely nothing. For every junk quote you paste in, I can paste a dozen that say the opposite. And then we will have a great discussion of parrots, or "a conversation between deaf people", as the Hebrew phrase says. How about writing something of your own using your brain and not pasting in junk? show us how developed is your logical thinking. The ability to draw persuasive, logical, conclusions out of all of the relevant facts available. Impress me. Show me that what I think about you is wrong. Quotes of this and that guy does not serve as proof of anything, just makes you look pretty.... not smart. start by replying to my counterargument or please stop filling this forum with junk propaganda.
Documentary 'The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy' Also check out this essay The Israel Lobby ---> http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011 By John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt Ok... now to answer your questions... Yes. I hate injustice. Look at my sig "Do not surrender to evil but go boldly against it" My reply was already posted above. You should read carefully how the crybabies in ADL forced the university to act against the professor. Absolutely... It was the zionist lobby. Professors have academic freedom. In this case, the professor didn't even say himself that Gaza is like a Warsaw ghetto, he included an article written by another Jewish author about the state of affairs in Gaza. He is free to do it. I agree. Anyone who disagrees with the official israeli line is either an Israel-hater or an anti-semite or a neo-nazi. Everyone knows that. Richard Falk, the "nice Jewish guy" knows a lot more about th situation that your porpaganda can ever tell you because the is the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories. A completely neutral guy. Thankfully because he is Jewish, he cannot be accused of anti-semitism, the official line of anyone questioning israeli brutal human rights abuses. Please quote a dozen or two opposing quotes. I'd like to know what these quotes are and how neutral the idiots saying these quotes are. In your little egostical brain, you cannot accept anyone's testimony, no matter who they happen to be. I have been writing on these forums for more than a year now. You might want to check out the archives. My advice to you is... learn to read more. Listen to what "others" have to say. Come out of your little "bubble" and see what the world has to say about the apartheid policies of your country. Let me suggest a starting point ---> http://www.antiwar.com/
Point A) the santa barbara case, including the ADL which is related only to this specific case, serves to prove exactly the opposite from the hidden suggestion in the topic of your thread. your reply , telling me that I "should carefully read" the spin-off of the case, does not show the fault in my reasoning and line and logic, hence my reasoning still holds and my claim is correct. My argument is not based on the santa barbara case. The santa barbara case plays a secondary role: I use it only to say that according to mainstream opinion in western universities, "Gaza&Warsaw" are not alike. So please refer to my argument and its reasoning again, and try to break them. Tip: Have a read there: Debate. As a religious person, your logical thinking is not developed (a pre-condition for keeping a "faith"), but i will be very glad to get you started. Point B) LOL. NO!!!!. As he receives his salary from the government for doing academic research only, he is not free to express any opinions in political issues. Not even if his wife or his neighbour were the ones who wrote it...... and not he himself. This is how the western world works. Welcome abroad. LOL. you are hopeless. I guess you didn't have a glorious academic career yet? never too late to start. Would you define yourself as Israel hater? if yes, believe me, that in comparison with Noam Chomsky, you are an Israel fan. About what you said about Richard Falk, it is a reflection of a deep problem of yours. I will call it "a cultural void"....... which I can't describe in words, I will make a very brief explanation, If you will get a bit of it, i'm satisfied: There is a major fault in your way of thinking. The same malfunction expressed itself in the other thread, where I mentioned honor killings, and your immediate response was to attack judaism. You are a muslim living in the theater of "muslim brotherhood", "all muslims are brothers", but it never came to your mind that this fake "brotherhood" does not imply for the jewish people. our philosophy as a nation is slightly different. Think of this example: When I look at Wafa Sultan I don't even dare to think to myself: "if you hear such words from a muslim, that must be true! that's the proof". But if you would see a similar video, or see a similar quote by any jew, just because he is a jew, you would be shining happy. Your prejudice is now "proven". This is a very deep phisolophical issue. You are not in that stage yet. Sorry. Maybe after you will understand much more basic concepts of logic, debating, or even in judaism, I will be able to teach you more about the jewish philosophy. This is the philosophy that is responsible for our survival in 2000 years of prosecution, and also the reason that despite the crystal clear verses in the old testament which you ignorantly quoted in the other thread, not even a single execution of a gay man was ever made. Our approach to our holibook, and to the universe, and to interpersonal relationships, bares grave differences to the approach of the muslims to the quran. Ok, sorry, enough with this too advanced topic , back to the basics: All of your quotes (quotes again...) from antiwar.com are not worth my time. Read wikipedia's definition of Propaganda, and then read "about us" of antiwar.com: Wikipedia's propaganda term: Antiwar.com Here is an imaginary "about us" you would expect to find in a non-proganda site, revised from antiwar.com
I couldn't understand a thing you were ranting about. Try to be more specific and put your words in a better layout. You are a webmaster, don't forget. If you want people to actually read what you write, you'll have to do a better job. 1. I hate ADL and its activities of suppressing free speech and labeling anyone and everyone an antisimite or a neo-nazi or a self-hating Jew. I suggest you read Abe Foxman's 'Anti-Semitic Pandemic' 2. I did not attack Judaism in the other thread. I was only mocking those who were blaming a religion for the fault of people. I guess your understanding of English is different than mine. 3. USA is a capitalist state, in which case salaries are not paid directly by the government. As such, pople ahve the first amendment rights to free speech. Professors have academic freedom. 4. I live in a multicultural society, unlike you. So you shouldn't bother lecturing me about my supposed "cultural void". And I couldn't understand a thing from that paragraph. Consider rewording it. No one can understand what you say. 5. Tell me about Jewish philosophy. 6. Antiwar.com is has an agenda. It is to oppose all wars and promote peace. Thats what I am interested in. I understand why you wouldn't read about peace. I have come to expect it from people like you. 7. I am still waiting for the "dozens" of opposing quotes that you promised to post in your last thread.
1. I saw that it is "antiwar.com" again so I didn't bother to read, as your favorit site is excepted to be selective in the choose of facts mentioned = a complete waste of time. I can just mention that "Ran HaCohen", the author of the article which I did not read, is jewish. whatever that say 2. You were bringing up judaism as you were answering me. You wouldn't have mentioned the quotes from the old testament if I were from thailand. You were also mocking those who were blaming a religion for the fault of people, but not only. 3. Ok, and? 99.9% of USA professors do not subscribe to the view of the Santa Barbara professor, and this is why he got banned. You STILL did not address my reasoning. Yes, it is complete, and fault free. Please withdraw your suggestion that an imaginary "zionist lobby" is influencing the academic viewpoints (worldwide, not only the US). Have any canadian professor or polish or hungarian or czech or german that express themselves like that? ofcourse not. 4+5. Israel is composed of 70% jews, among which we have ethiopians, russians, moroccans, yemenites, etc', all having the same religions, but entirely different culture. 22% are arab, part of which muslim, others are christian. Arabic is an official language of the state of Israel, all signs and products are written in arabic. We also have bahai, samaritans, druz, cherkesi, and many more. We also have thai, phillipines, turkish, chinese, africans (nigeria, eritrea, kenya) who came here initially to work, but established later their own communities. I would say that's multicultural as well. Israel has very unique combinations: i.e. myself: my parents came from russia and I speak fluent arabic and can't spend a single day without humus, unknown food in Russia. Forget about the long paragraph about the philosophical differences between judaism and islam. That might sound very arrogant but from reading yours posts, especially your incapability to argue with me according to the most basic principles of debating, and your above average knowledge of the "holly books", I am sure that you are incapable to understand those differences at the moment. 6. Antiwar.com is a propaganda site. It is not committed to the truth. Unlike other propaganda sites, it does not even claim to be committed to the truth, but only to the part of it that serves its cause. Even if you aim a gun to my head I wouldn't read a single paragraph there (and be sure, not even on a website with a name zionistmagazine.org or jewishworld.org, or anything like that). I would like to think that I am an intellectual. A guy whos looking for the truth, even if I won't like what I realize. As such, antiwar.com is not for me. But I hope you enjoy it. War is a part of human nature. Humans eagerly go to war throughout history. Even in the middle ages, when the life expectancy was 30 and there was hunger, people found a reason to fight. The french and Germans made completely obsolete trench to trench battles in WWI with millions of casualties and took a lot of pride in it. Iran and Iraq butchered one another for 7 years for the price of more than 2,000,000 men in the 80's, can you recall what was on stake? I can't. The Israeli settlers teach their kids that the land of Israel, as "promised to us by god in the holly bible", is worth dying for. Hamas teaches its kids that death of martydom is "sweet" and murder of as many jews as possible is the greatest honour you can wish for. And the very latest: look how muslims butcher one another in Iraq and Pakistan. This is the world we live in, i'm sorry for this, but there is very little you and I can do about it! 7. no problem. This isn't really my style.. I usually leave it for gauharjk vs. uploas battles of worthless quotes and videos, but if you insist, all it takes are 10 seconds of googling... 1) Well... the wafa sultan video you have already seen. 2) Have you heared of a guy called Husni Mubarak? a very negligible figure in the middle east, like "richard falk". http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061472.html 3) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=84877 4) fact: As we speak, about a thousand of palestinian children are hospitalized in Israeli hospitals, just as before cast lead. They are treated for free against cancer and various other childrens' diseases. 5) http://www.saveachildsheart.org/sip_storage/FILES/1/1351.pdf (top right, sunday express). 6) http://middleeastwindow.com/node/906 7) http://www.truveo.com/Zahras-Blue-Eyes-Episode-2-Palestinian-Children/id/777036346 8) http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/943987.html 9) http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWFjZjBkMjI4YTQ2ZmJmYjQxOGVkYWUzMjA5N2QwMTU= And "the cherry on top of the cream", as we say in Hebrew, 10) http://www.france24.com/en/20081228-abbas-says-he-tried-continue-truce-avoid-violence-gaza-israel (In this context I would like to restate a fact I already mentioned previously to you: Fact: The demonstration in London during "cast lead" were more violent and intensive as those in the west bank. Doesn't that say it all about what the palestinian people really thinks about Hamas?) Long live the propaganda!
Where are the quotes? You want me to fish them out for you? Post them here for all to read. Here is an example of what a quote is... If you don't want to read about the Israel lobby, atleast you might want to watch the documentary so painfully compiled by the Dutch group VPRO International. They are neutral. Its full of interviews with people who run US foreign policy. Here from their own lips what they have to say... Documentary 'The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy' You have shown you are incapable of learning, for if you truely wanted to do so, you would have read more. But I know you won't. You want to live in your bubble. You pass judgment on Antiwar.com without even reading a single line? Thats what I expect from you... So be it...