Anthony, you make liberals look patriotic! Keep up the good work, son, and don't forget to trim your ear hairs
Liberal I am one of a kind GTech, don't put labels on me man! I chart my own course, not one dictated by a party, you see GTech, I fight for the citizens and the working man, if you want to categorize that in your own fashion that is fine! But I am not going to let my country sail on a sinking ship because of pride and it is time you change and become an American that stands up for what is right for the people and not your party!
That's the funniest damn thing I've seen in a long time. Don't you know anything that is capable of killing 2 people is now considered by Gtech to be WMD (as long as someone he doesn't like is in possession of it).
I "try" to spend all my reading time actually reading webmaster related stuff when I'm on the web. I get my news from the TV while I'm on my laptop. So unfortunately I'm not one of those debaters that can link to proof because I get it off of TV. But I assure you one of my favorite hobbies is switching between Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC and watching the contrast. It's hilarious sometimes. MSNBC is guilty of doing the same thing fox is doing. When George Bush or any conservative screws up it's all over MSNBC and Fox either downplays it, doesn't mention it at all, or trys to counter it. My favorite Fox News tactic is when they bring on a liberal guest and a conservative guest to debate an issue. They say hey look at how fair and balanced we are! Then during the segment the conservative guest and the conservative host of the show gang up and shout over the liberal . But back on topic... like I said I watch the news constantly. All the above mentioned networks carried it. Fox broke it and carried it more of course but it quickly dissapeared from their headline list when people started asking questions about what they actually found The Senator's soundbite was on CNN every 10 minutes and as I described in my initial post, MSNBC did a big story on the keith olberman show. I agree with you on the common ground thing. Both sides are doing a great spin job so the facts can be hard to come by sometimes. I still think if this were a true vindication on the WMD issue and why we went to war the Whitehouse would be all over this. You don't find it odd that they're not?
One step at a time Gtech -- Regarding the grenades... When i say grenades i do not mean hand grenades but the projectile kind ones. Mortor grenades or shells...however this may be called. In Dutch we call them grenades. Mortier granaten. I believe this is the correct term. So yes these where found by your own posting of sources: The most likely munitions remaining are sarin and mustard-filled projectiles. How many where there found? Since 2003 Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Is this a handfull? Yes it is to military standards. It sure wasn't the reason that started the war regarding the WMD claims. Claims that have never been proven other then these handfull of grenades or shells or to be more specific projectiles. None other WMD has been found that has been conclusively determined of they where WMD weapons.(At least that i know of and i would apprciate it if you could present concrete evidence) Your tread about these socalled findings that you mentioned in your first post of this thread don't mean anything and are purely based on speculation -- this socalled WMD expert did not put forward any concrete evidence that it was indeed WMD. But the background alone of this individual is for you suffice to believe his claims even though he presents no evidence and only pure speculation. My most important question to you is what concrete evidence can you put forward that there where indeed More WMD? What i've seen so far from you is merely speculation...
GTech is trying to make Bush look good before the mid term elections because Bush is on the way to being impeached if the Republicans lose control of congress! All Americans vote against all Republicans across the board no matter the office if you want justice returned to the land!
It sure is going to happen if the Republicans lose control of congress, bet on it, that is why Bush is already campaigning and has shills like GTech telling us all about the WMD, some terrorist bro's in the hood on crack that were a threat to America and so on! He is trying to make the Iraq war look like a big success instead of the major failure it is because "the war on terror" (Blair & Bush's oil grab) is the only thing Bush can hang his hat on because he has ruined the entire world with it and it's economy! Ask GTech about the 2,500 service men & women we have lost and the recent losses in the last week and you don't hear a peep out of him!
Thanks for sharing how you feel about Fox news. What I was really looking for was something to validate that they are not dangerous, that if you rub it in, it might burn a little. Whether that is actually what they said or not, I wouldn't be surprised that MSNBC actually tried to find someone to say that. Woud be interesting to know if someone actually did suggest such, if they would store them in their home garage and let their children/grandchildren play around them? I suspect not. I'm glad they finally decided to cover it. It sounds like the coverage was aimed at trying to make it insignificant, but at least they tried. There can never be a true vindication of the WMD issue. For some, no matter how much is actually found (and my point with the post is, more has been found), there will never be enough for some people. And that's fine! The point: more wmd have been found.
And when you described them as "a handfull of grenades with chemical gas in them?" you didn't really mean a handfull either? Right, projecticles, not grenades. Also noting that "While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal." So military personnel can carry 500 munitions of chemical wmd? Very weak Edz, very weak. Grenades are small munitions designed to explode and be carried by personnel to kill enemies in relatively close quarters. Chemical WMD would not be delivered by grenades, which are hand thrown devices, as the chemicals would most surely effect *anyone* in that short distance. Chemical weapons would most likely be delivered in artillery rounds. Rounds that would easily weigh in excess of 100 lbs that are generally designed to reach targets miles away. I provided a source for you, feel free to follow it. It doesn't mean anything to you. Why would I find that surprising? You've mislead about the findings, tried to portray them as grenades and suggest that 500 could be carried in a hand. Why would I place any intellectual honesty in that? I get you point, you are angry they are found and wish it were not true. I've already provided a link for you and long before you were around, it was debated. Perhaps we could store what you say doesn't exist in your garage?
Sure GTech, those are the same WMD's that Saddam used to gas the Kurds after Bush Senior let him stay in power in a dirty oil deal after the first successful Gulf War PS: Next Sucker, there is one born every minute..... PPS: All true Americans, vote against every Republican in the mid term elections if you want justice returned to America, we convicted Ken Lay of Enron, now it is time to go after the real crooks!
I'm proud of you AC, you finally admitted they were WMD and were found. Progress, one step at a time!
Is it ever going to end GTech or are you going to keep this charade going on here until Kingdom come, please answer What's it going to take, Shawn locking the political forums as an archive and just shutting them down, we are waiting for your answer
Exactly, i did not mean literraly a handfull. But you knew that so don't act surprised Gtech. Once again the amount that was found is a ''handfull'' and was not the amount of WMD that was claimed to exist and that the U.S. went to war for. Stop nitpicking over terminology since it makes you look even more silly. I explained already that in the Dutch language it -->(grenades) is also used to describe mortor grenades and is not only used to refer to Hand-grenades. So for me grenades can be the same as projectiles. Drop the grammer lesson since once again it makes you look silly to continue this route. To back my claim up here is a news story covered in the Dutch media that describes the story and the word grenades is being mentioned, namely the Dutch word ''granaten''. ^^ Above is only a continuation of your nitpicking of terminology. I cleared that up for you already but you choose the route to continue. You provided speculation and nothing more. I asked you a concrete question but you failed to respond and came up empty handed. Yes it's already obvious that your only option is to nitpick over terminology and can not answer any concrete evidence about WMD that supposedly has been found. Other then the speculation you provided. Come up with something concrete. What kind of intelectual honesty is there from someone that continues to get distracted by the fact that for me and any other Dutchman the word ''grenades'' comes down to projectiles and hand grenades and can go either way if there is no prefix added such as ''Hand'' or ''Mortor''? I explained this to you but you choose to ignore this and continue on nitpicking. You've provided speculation.... ------------------------------------------------------------- I will not be wasting my time to explaining the meaning of the word grenades in Dutch or English and continue my attention on deflections of concrete questions that you are asked. Weak Gtech, very weak...i hoped for a better response about the WMD issue. I hoped for a reply with some concrete evidence. The amounts that where found in the past years was not the WMD that the U.S. went to war for. Provide some other evidence and stronger then the speculation you already have.. If you can't then it was fun and useless as i have said earlier and i don't feel interested anymore continuing with you.
Ah, so you didn't mean it before you meant it. I wonder where I've heard that sort of liberal dishonesty before. I meant it before I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it before I meant it. I've not suggested or argued it was the amount of WMD that was claimed to exist and that the U.S. went to war for. You are introducing this as a strawman argument. By suggesting that I've argued this point, even though I haven't, you attempt to argue something I've not said. The problem is, I've not made any claim regarding the amount discovered and especially that they were all the wmd claimed to exist. Dishonest on your part. I'm flattered you are truly concerned about my appearance. I suggest re-reading your posts. The terminology is important, since you've deliberately tried to suggest what the carrier of the chemical wmd was, which was not disclosed in the source I provided nor the PDF document which was released. This itself is your misleading. It has no argument itself, since you tried to introduce this as an argument that had no foundation. "a handful of grenades." You are not writing in Dutch, nor is the argument in Dutch. Nor does the source I provided mention mortars (which are different from grenades), nor does the PDF used to break the story mention either. Grenades are not mortars, but more importantly, neither were mentioned to be the carriers of the chemical wmd found. And yet you wish to talk about honesty. What looks silly is you trying to define what the carrier is/was when it was not released in details. What looks silly, is you trying to define it as "a handful of grenades." What looks silly is you suggesting it must be of a certain quantity (of which I've not argued) in order to be chemical wmd. What looks silly is that even if you were honest by claiming it was a "handful of grenades" that were the carrier of the chemical wmd, they are still chemical wmd and they have been found. Of which is the premise for what I originally posted. To illustrate your dishonesty, let's turn to a source that show a variety of reports on the wmd find: iraq wmd Santorum iraq wmd Santorum grenade iraq wmd Santorum mortar (with the correct spelling of mortar) iraq wmd Santorum mortor (with your spelling of motor) Conclusion? Misleading and dishonest. Clarity in information as you have deliberately mislead with falsehoods in every post you've made so far. You have failed in every attempt by not only introducing deliberate lies (of which I've noted), but continue to suggest you didn't say something, then turn around and say it again (handful). And yet you fail to realize, even in your attempts to trivialize the find, that more wmd have been found. No conditions, no smoking guns, just that more wmd have been found. I've provided exactly what my first post said, wmd have been found. Your attempts to make it otherwise have been quite humorous! I even provided a link to other wmd that have been found. Evidenced isn't answered, it's provided. As it was in my first post. I claimed more wmd have been found. They were. Remember, you tried to trivialize them by deceitfully describing them as "a handful of grenades." and "not the amount of WMD that was claimed to exist and that the U.S. went to war for." So you admit they were wmd, but to dismiss the find, you come up with your own criteria that they must meet some predetermined quantity to be real. No one's suggested "all" were found. "Some" were found and you've already acknowledge that. You're trying to have it both ways. On one hand they were found, but not some predetermined quantity you require them to be. You've already lost the argument, as I, nor the article I posted claim they met your own pesonal conditions in terms of quantity. The intellectual honesty falls short in your claims and continues to do so. The funny part is, you're still trying to lie your way through it. More WMD were found, that was the topic. There is no disputing such. Your attempt to set *your own* definitions (grenades, handful, must be predefined quantity) have led to your own demise and caught you in a consistent pattern of deliberately lying because you wish WMD were not found. I've provided sources. In fact, you've taken the source I provided and tried to suggest it says something it doesn't to argue against it. You've already accepted the source. ------------------------------------------------------------- And once again, no one has suggested they were the amounts that were known to exist. I do not argue the quantity, nor that they were some smoking gun, nor that they were all the wmd said to have existed, nor that they were the wmd the war was started over or any other amounts, nor have I. So you should not waste your time explaining, beause your explanations are consistently dishonest. What's weak and dishonest, is that you suggest otherwise and that it was some defining criteria for WMD to actually exist, yet you admit they exist, but were (deceitfully) "a handful of grenades." You argue with your own opinion, as you noted, but demand of me sources for arguments for which I've not made nor suggested. Piss poor debating. I don't need to. You've already accepted they were WMD. You've dishonestly tried to make it about the carrier of the wmd and the amout of wmd to diminish the find. Yet you fail to realize that in those very dishonest arguments, you have to have accepted that they were WMD in the first place in order to argue the dishonesty. Catch 22. You can't have it both ways. Weakest argument you've ever made here Edz, and you've made some pretty weak ones.
Clarity in information as you have deliberately mislead with falsehoods in every post you've made so far. The above is pulled from GTech's statement Unfortunately this is what 99% of your posts are, case closed, you lose as always GTech! How is life in the 30% club GTech? The Nixon gang is going down again Better get out and campaign for the mid term elections GTech, the Nixon Gang needs to avoid impeachment..... They deserve it for lying about WMD to make an oil grab in an illegal war that has cost the American people dearly so Exxon and Enron and Hallibution could steal billions! Have you checked up on Ken Lay in prison PS: Still love you as a brother, but as an American you are a traitor to this nation!