Your Opinion on Options In Afghanistan

Who died in 2008?

Castro is alive, and Saddam was executed in 2006.

 

In any case, war brings nothing good. Nobody will benefit from it...

 

The Russians could not do it and i dont think the US and the coalition can sort the problem out,time to pull out and use the resources saved for our own security.

 

Do you know something that the rest of the world doesn't?

 

No lol, he is effectively dead he has bad health and also resigned from his presidency in 2008 he also was 83 in Aug. To the USA he is no longer a problem i.e he is dead. There problem will now have to be Raul.

Fidel Castro was saying in not too long ago how the US easing restrictions on travel to Cuba meant more Americans = more swine flu lol

So he still needles but killing him won't make much difference to the US.

 

Then why are you taking us off topic?

I'm comparing the statement, not the men.

Hitler did not wage war for the sake of it. He simply united his people and began to reclaim what he felt belonged to them. He did this without firing a shot in most every case.

No, what he was doing was violating 60 UN resolutions, non of which was ever enforced until we decided 61 was not going to do anything the last 60 did not already not do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

You need to read up on your history there sonny...

Every country that united in WWII did so as well in the form of a coalition forces, well save for France and Germany... (History repeated) see also WWII... see also, tuck tail and run. See also, SURRENDER.

Back to the resolutions. Pay particular attention to 1441: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 is a United Nations Security Council resolution adopted unanimously by the United Nations Security Council on November 8, 2002, offering Iraq under Saddam Hussein "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations" that had been set out in several previous resolutions (Resolution 660, Resolution 661, Resolution 678, Resolution 686, Resolution 687, Resolution 688, Resolution 707, Resolution 715, Resolution 986, and Resolution 1284). [1]


On November 8, 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15-0 vote; Russia, China, France, and Arab countries such as Syria voted in favor, giving Resolution 1441 wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution.

I'm not sure you've been taught much of anything.

History repeats itself, and continues to do so. Its not that history has not taught us, its that people like you NEVER LEARNED from it.

Weclomed? No one's saying that. What we are saying is that we were obligated and united to do so and its the UN that set those wheels in motion. All we did was enforce what the World/UN unanimously approved!!!

Keep in mind, Hitler likely never personally killed another living sole during his rule outside himself. His citizens did it for him, and the fatherland!

Don't they teach history in schools anymore?

 

If they do most kids are not paying attention, they have their iphones and ipods playing crap like tupac. Parents give your kids an education and take away the toys!

Jeremy, do you remember when someone brought a toy into school when we were kids? If it wasn't for show-and-tell in elementary school, it got taken away.

 

Did you know that Tupac is a homosexual?

 

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

God yes... I remember bringing a calculator to school (by accident mind you) in the 4th grade. It was taken away and I was in deep doo doo.. Hell, we were put in the corner, reprimanded, disciplined and in some cases smacked, yes SMACKED!!!!

You'd never dream of having a weapon or drugs, much less a toy in school. Back then respect was something that was commanded not hoped for. And no way in hell did you phuck with the principal.

After getting in trouble at school, parents would be called in - and they would come. They'd listen, start fuming and we'd barely make it out of the school before our bottoms were bright red.

You don't have to beat a child into submission, you just have to point him in the right direction with a few solid examples of who's in charge. Unfortunately several liberal panzies have stripped that right of both the parent and the teacher to the point where the kids are now ruling the roost.

Strange days ahead....

 

Lets get this straight Mia,

The pretence that I replied to was effectively “American’s etc were welcomed into Iraq” (that is not true), you know that, and I know that, there was no flowers and chocolates for troops just bullets, road side bombs and suicide bombers and obviously dead bodies for the “welcomed forces”. To believe Iraqi’s wanted liberation is just not reality, they didn’t and they are killing you to be liberated (damn wheres the drill?).

Do you believe we were welcomed? Yes/no Do you feel the love?

The second point that I made was challenging the pretence that Iraqi’s ‘asked for an invasion’ i.e. “US can you help us”, they didn’t, you know that, I know that. In fact far from it, it was Bush beating the war drum that caused the invasion a long with faulty or outright fraudulent intelligence.

Did Iraqis the (majority in a democracy likes yours) want to be liberated? Yes/no

Never mind bringing other matters into the mix the war was based on WMD, there were none, you say 60 resolutions were ignored and you wanted to sort it out on the 61st? Don’t you think the priority should have been Osama Bin Laden not Iraq? Who just ignored yet another in a long line of resolutions? What’s the big deal? Do you understand how to prioritize?

Do you not think Osama should of been the target? And all efforts should be toward killing or capturing him? Yes/no

Don’t you find it odd out of all those resolutions that you acted after the 61st? at a time the forces were needed for a real purpose? i.e Bin Laden? Yes/no

It’s funny how you invoke UN resolutions when they suit your cause, it’s hypocritical to pick and choose which ones are valid according to US policy and should be enforced

The third point was, although I didn’t clearly state this:

Neither you nor any other country can go around changing leaders whom you don’t like, that’s what we did, to then say the “Iraqis wanted it” is just as fraudulent as the intelligence the war was based on, there was not an overwhelming “help us plea” if anyone believes there was, then your hearing voices and should get check into an institution

As you can see moving an argument down your path doesn’t really prove:

1. American’s were welcomed by Iraqis.
2. Iraqis wanted and asked the US to liberate them.
3. That the war was not based on faulty Bush intelligence.
4. That the war has been lost (whether you started because of the resolutions or WMD or both (or something entirely different)

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

It’s hardly a surprising comment from you, not too found of anything foreign or non white/white(ish) are you?

And do you have anything to add to this thread at all besides acting like a kid, isn’t that ironic?

I can tell you:

He is not so good undercover republican, posting nonsense whilst pretending to be liberal, as with most right-wing republicans he believes wars are good esp if against Muslims ”they should be bombed to death” (sic) as he said in another post and makes a comment about Tupac because he is black to get a reaction?

 

The only way you are going to get anything straight is to take a history course. Rather than repeat the rhetoric repeated by those who would rather re-write reality, why not learn from reality itself. You're wasting your time trying to convince me of this alternate world so many of you live in. It exists only in the minds of those that created it, and unfortunately in the hearts of those too fool to know otherwise.

You've been duped.

 

You're welcome to believe:

1. American’s were welcomed by Iraqis.
2. Iraqis wanted and asked the US to liberate them.
3. That the war was not based on faulty Bush intelligence.
4. That the war has been won

Do you feel the love?

Most other people would class you as insane.

 

Toopac, you are the only one saying these things. Did you even bother to read what I posted, or at the very least take a look at and read the UN Resolutions? Are you possibly too young to remember the history here and why we went there in the first place?

Right or wrong on the question of going to war, that aside, you need to at the very least get the facts right.

BTW, the "intelligence" was handed down from the previous admin. I gather you are very young, hence all this misinformation and misunderstanding.

 

What particular fact or point is wrong? out of this list:

1. American’s were not welcomed by the Iraqis (not the ones posing for the camera / as a country).
2. Iraqis did not want nor asked the US to liberate them.
3. The war was based on faulty Bush intelligence.
4. That the war has been lost

Once we get to what you actually are trying to say we can get somewhere.

Is your argument the Iraq wars main selling point was not WMD? but instead one in a line of many many UN resolutions? That the US decided to act upon instead of focusing their entire forces on Osama?

 

Again, you are the only one saying this. You might as well answer your own questions.

 

Then point out what else I said, that was not in the list that you believe is factually wrong? is it that hard?

 

I don't think that will be necessary, you duplicated your own post. Why not try reading at least one or both of them.

 

You could have just quoted it, instead of typing a reply - I have no idea what your on about.

 

I did quote it... Then you posted it again.

 

It looks like you are still fighting races instead of getting past skin color. Let me ask you this, does an albino African (white skin, hair, blue eyes, etc...) have the same value as a white person or a black person? Think about it for a second. Now that person has all the same genes, just lacks the pigment, you probably wouldn't notice unless someone pointed something out to you. Now do you realize we are all the same? Skin color is an added bonus. It adds beauty to what would be bland. Don't hate someone for being different than you, see them as a work of art, maybe even see others as better than you.

See, personally I love all races, all colors, shades, etc... they don't scare me. I actually wish my skin was darker like when I was a young child, but it seems to be getting lighter, except I still can darken easily in the sun. My kids are shades from brown to olive, all with brown hair from almost black to light brown. My wife is mistaken for Puerto Rican, but considering that is in her blood, I guess they are partly correct. My mother-in-law shows her African roots from the Puerto Rican side. Toopac, guess what? - she is probably as dark as tupac.