your directories listed in DMOZ ?

I submitted to DMOZ almost a year ago and still nothing. Is there any way to know if they even reviewed my submission?

 

You are right, I was thinking that they would just update my information so I wouldn't have to start over.

Thanks for the information.

 

I submitted my sites in 2006. from 8-9 submitted sites, none is listed in DMOZ. No duplicate content, SEO friendly, nice layouts, backlinks...etc.

I'm pretty sure that if I would had a website about how my grandfather fighted when he was young, I would be listed. Hey, DMOZ is a s***.

 

If you submitted 9 directories all at once they were likely thought of as spam and no one ever checked them.

 

All of which have zero effect on listing decisions but if they focus on those aspects instead of original content then it may well be a negative factor. The best site I listed as an editor was an amateur effort with no SEO thought, a free host, an ancient template, etc. but the most informative, moving, and superbly written content. I stayed on the site for hours and read every word, and added it to my personal favourites. In tens of thousands of websites I looked at during my time in the ODP it still stands head and shoulders above all the rest and is embedded into my head years later. If only a commercial SEO-obsessed webmaster could do such a job; they would surely be multi-millionaires. Instead, it key words and key phrases, fancy design, gimmicks, and no substance. ODP (for most editors) doesn't like no substance.

 

Post to their Forum, Politely. People get touchy for reasons known only to them, so practice tolerance and Politeness when you post on THIS FORUM or on ODP's. Mostly you will find Editors who will respond to your post who are professional and nice enough. Just don't demand action or whatever.

"Get mad, DMOZ is not important if you are any good at SEO. It is just one more link, nothing more."
"A so-called SEO that thinks a DMOZ link is money in the bank, in 2007, is deadly funny! A knee-slapper."

And YES! Dmoz is important so long as TOO MANY TO COUNT Search Engines, Potals and Directories use ODP's results.

I try to not let my own feelings cloud my judgement. I can rail or rant at ODP the same as anyone else can. But, does ranting at them help me? No.

SO I PLAY BALL. It's simple really. I can try to do what ODP wants and see if it works and more importantly, see if it helps my websites. All it cost me is my time. (Not my pride, nor my dignity nor my integrity, nor anything else which would demean me.) It only cost me the time it takes to read OPD's guidelines (which is good advice for submitting to any search engine or directory) and following their guidelines when I submit my link(s).

It only cost me a few moments of time. And maybe, Just maybe. The reward is very good.

Of course you could be so fussy, you stop trying. If that is the case, good luck. I hope everything works out in your favor.

"Can't we all just get along?"

 

I promise you there is very little reward. It is just another link, and Google discounts the duplicates. As for listings in other directories helping take a look at when Google updated its own version. Check what others in this forum say about the amount of traffic a DMOZ listing generates. Most reports say few if any.

DO NOT post a submission status request to the "official" DMOZ public forum, Resource Zone - if you read the rules there ffalinks you will find that such questions are banned. Posts asking for such reports get deleted.

Very sound advice. Also listen to what editors quite openly say - submit, forget, move onto more constructive things like proper Internet marketing since the ODP is not a webmaster marketing tool.

 

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I'm amazed at the ongoing debate over whether or not DMOZ has any clout or SEO value. The amount of traffic they get and generate AND the discussions across the Web should lay to rest the idea that there is no more value them any ole link.

Having said that I have to defend the DMOZ organization because I have an idea what they've experienced and I respect what their ultimate goal was and I think still is:
- My general directory offered free listings up til recently and as the pagerank and traffic grew so did the volume of submissions. It was absolutely mushrooming and got to the point where I'd either have to hire people to handle the onslaught or just ignore submissions altogether. I was getting over 200 every day when I reluctantly added a "review fee" of 5 USD.
- Volume has plummeted and I've been focusing on cleaning up after the free-for-all storm (axed over 500 links just today and edited dozens of others).

With my experience I imagine the volume of submissions, of both worthy and crappy sites, is more than ANY organization can deal with as a volunteer or free entity. I fully understand why the organization has slipped out of favor among many Web veterans, but I don't think anger or disrepect is an appropriate emotional response. If I didn't know how afwul a task reviewing piles and piles of crap to find the few gems was I'd volunteer to be an editor myself to help the cause.

I predict the organization will reinvent itself and resume it's progress towards achieving it's mission. What mission is that? I think it should be to prove humans kick algorithm's arses all day long. How will they change? I think donations make the most sense. I'll be one of the first.

 

Wow, you must be in an AMAZING niche! I've been listed for months and from my stats I've gotten less then 10 visitors...

I'm going to only partially read the rest of your post, as I assume you are defending them because you are either an editor or you have a few blog entries that say to use the ODP for SEO

Seriously... with nearly 300 clones how can the site not get flagged as a link farm or as duplicate content? Google didn't find DMOZ worthy to list as a back link for any of my sites *shrug*

SPAM.... the entire reason DMOZ started was so that the founders could plug their own news site in a thousand different categories. The only difference now is that all the founders have left and it's up to the the Meta community (middle management editors) to maintain such standards of spamminess.

Volume has plummeted due to a recent upset of them firing a FANTASTIC editor that approved hundreds of sites a day. Why? Because she was a member of Digital Point!

DMOZ Scandal of the YEAR

See, now you are just copping out. I quit being an editor, not because of the ammount of crappy submissions (you don't even need to read them) but rather because of how their inner circle stinks of corruption.

You'll be the first to send money to a multi-million dollar company in return for nothing other then the betterment of mankind? Be my guest, and when you find the donation button that is not attached to a meta or VOLUNTEER admin's pocket be sure to let us all know.

 

It will not change. It hasn't changed a comma since its inception in 1998. It's a time warp.

Where is the incentive to improve it?

Directores list websites. How often do you search for a whole website, rather than a web PAGE? If you do, you know the name of the website, and Google will serve it to you on a sliver platter. And if you don't... DMOZ categories, while well thought-out, are a frustrating dedalus so complex that even editors are very confused, a lot of the time.

Now to give a real example. Let's say you are looking for stained glass patterns.

There are few sites that are solely devoted to stained glass patterns, but there are hundreds of websites that have pattern pages as freebies to attract visitors. You can't deeplink these pages. DMOZ only tells you about whole websites. These websites can be in the Shopping branch if they also sell patterns. If they don't sell patterns, they're lumped with the general stained glass category because when I was an editor, there were no sites exclusively devoted to FREE stained glass patterns, so I never had a reason to create such a category.

I now have a website with only free stained glass patterns. You'll never find it in DMOZ. It's unlistable, because I have three websites with stained glass patterns, and that one would be nixed for being part of a mirror fraternity.

If you use DMOZ, you'll only find a tiny fraction of what is available on the internet, and it can potentially be spread over different branches.

It's just an example. But that's the way it is all across the Directory. It is useless.

DMOZ is an outdated link farm. I praise the powers at Google that realize this, and have stopped giving DMOZ any credit.

 

Alright.... I surrender. Even if not worthless it's not worth the time I've spent on the subject. Nuff said. Next subject.

 

But wait, don't alot of other sites use DMOZ for results so therefore a link in DMOZ is not just another link. It has the potential to be hundreds of links.

 

Google knows that, and in all its googly wisdom, has devised an algorithm that places all these viral DMOZ clonal links to the deepest bowels of its SERPs. The clones count for nothing. Google is not stupid. It will not count one link from an obsolete and arcane directory, that's years behind the times, for one hundred links, because of the presence of clones.

Despite high nominal PR, DMOZ categories rank very poorly, lost amongst barely relevent spammy web pages, and transmit very little PR. Witness some links on DMOZ PR pages 5-6, that are still PR0, after being listed for a couple of years.

Google treats DMOZ like the link farm that it is.

A very telling signal is that Google has not updated its own version of the Directory in two years.