You Don't Speak for Me! (Americans of Hispanic/Latino heritage)

*I thought this was rather significant. Your opinion?


http://dontspeakforme.org/




The new group You Don't Speak for Me! formed when Col. Al Rodriguez became fed up watching media coverage of the mass protests of April. "Their leaders were saying it was a march for immigrant rights and a Latino/Hispanic movement," says Rodriguez. "I thought to myself, 'Hey, those are illegal aliens, not immigrants!'" Col. Rodriguez began speaking out to others saying, "I'm of Hispanic ancestry and those people are acting like they speak for me. Well, you don't speak for me!"

Col. Rodriguez began asking others to help him reach more people who felt the same way and You Don't Speak for Me! formed from this loose coalition of individuals. It is a group of concerned Americans of Hispanic/Latino heritage, some first or second generation, others recent legal immigrants, who believe illegal immigration harms America and a guest worker amnesty will do the same.

 

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I guess they think sending +5% of the population back to thier homeland, or putting them into jail would be a better choice.

Isn't making your voice heard the american way? And they say the mexican imigrants aren't assimilating!

 

Maybe on the first, I doubt on the latter. Although I must note that few people really want mass deportation...the expense and messiness of it would be hard to grapple.

Putting millions of people in jail for illegal immigration is just silly, and would really spark a civil war within this country.

To my knowledge the above group just wants the given laws to be enforced (with no amnesty), which would mainly focus on employees hiring illegals.

Through legal means, of coarse.

Most of the legal immigrants are, but I doubt few of the illegals are...I should know, because I live in the hub of where it grows.

 

These protest are legal, so there is no issue.

Enforcing the out-of-date laws would deport +5% of our workforce. Isn't this the same as saying we should just deport them? They are here and working hard, why not give them an oportunity to succeed and work at the cause of the problem.

No one will see this as an issue until there is no one to fix your Nacho Bell Grande from taco bell.

 

The creation of the protest, yes; all the people, no.

Not enforcing them just means we're an open border country. Saying that is out-of-date is like saying we owe the world refuge, and believe me, the world will come. Billions would love to know we absolutely won't enforce those laws, and I'm afraid you don't understand the implications of not having immigration laws.

Deportation has be accessed by a three panel judge court system, and for the better part they just request you leave...they don't physically force you. Unless your my German friend coming here legally.

No. Since legally most states don't require the cops or sometimes forbid them to ask for papers...the legality and feasibility of enforcing deportation falls on deaf ears.

That's okay if you want America to end-up a socialists hell-hole. Whom organize these parades, and what has central and southern america been plagued by...socialism.

Giving millions of illegals voting rights is a shot to the brain for America (not that couldn't vote now in some areas). We might as well nationalize everything and completely corrupt our cops/political system. I know your mindset means well, but you 'know not what you do'. Even heaven has it's rule of entry, unless you wish to make a hell of heaven....and believe me we're heaven in comparison.

Fuck taco bell.

 

Not sure where you get your info from, but I am glad you feel so entitled for simply being born in a certian location of the world. The hate from people like you is the reason so many of us are ashamed to to be labled the same type of american as you.

If I remember correctly, at somepoint, everyone in our families came from another country.

Feel free to take a breath and relax a little with this comedy article from theOnion: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47978


Cheers...

 

Who is "us?" I'm always amazed at how fast liberals will go out of their way to take on the blame of anything that would make their country look bad on behalf of everyone. It's like when they were children and a group of kids are playing, when suddenly a ball goes through the window. Dad comes out and asks who did it. No one says a word. Then one lone kid steps forward, knowing he didn't do it, and says "spank me daddy, I've been a naughty boy." No doubt, he'll grow up to become a flaming liberal!

You're not remembering correctly. There are many Native American Indians in this country. While part of my ancestry goes back to Germany and Austria, another side is Commanche Indian.

 

Where did my info come from..
It's called reading, jackass..try it.

Let's see what I can gather from this:
Arguement from ingnorance and ad Hominem.

First of all, you present a very ignorant and bias opinion, with absolutely nothing but your little feelings as justification. Lets base a government off feeling...you must be genius. Then you call me hateful. Fuck you, I love a girl that came from El Salvador. My childhood babysitter was Mexican and I love her with all my heart. Don't you for one moment try typecast me as hateful.

And so did the native in my blood, your fucking point....

 

Gtech you are right, I didn't include the Native americans. Are you guys afraid that if we work on a better system to regulate immigration that they will invade our country, kill us with new disease and place us on reservations?
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Your only opinion is that you should stay because you were born here, and no one else is worthy. I tend to think people should be allowed if they are hard working and have something to offer our society.

I just dont get the anger. There is no reason to infer I am soft, or swear at me because I care about the the individual, even the ones that arrived through nonstandard means of transportation.

Good day...

 

I'm not going even answer the last part of the question. A better system wouldn't cater to poverty and family; it would cater to inflation in given industries e.g the medical industry. America can import uneducate labor an second of the day, why not focus on educate individuals of every race?

Hell, they kicked out a Japanese friend of mine...whom could have been a nurse. But we need more cabbage I guess.

Mind-creation, chief? You have a problem of speaking for me, when you don't.

A lot of people are worthy, but if there's no system of enforcing our laws on immigration we might as well leave the door open and let everyone in. Do you know that mass poverty, overpopulation, overburden social programs, an impossible infrastructure like open borders leads to... disasters. In France, 50% of the immigrants can't find jobs, and since the enduring culture believes they deserve everything, no-one is going to get enough of them. This leads to social unrest and a very shaky political system.

Bosnia ring a bell...hell what of Rome...history shows us a million times that in one country there has to be some reasonable assimilation or uniformity in the culture...otherwise there's evitable splits and many times violence.

That's it...that's the criteria? I think there's about a billion Chinese men waiting to come over right now if that's all there's to it.

If you don't get the anger, maybe you should realize that asserting 'people like you' isn't a comment you offer to someone you don't know.

The moment we cater to foreign people before we cater to Americans, is the moment we should realize the UN is our government and we have no say. The culture of liberty is very small in comparison to the world's corrupt culture...in it's interests--among many others, it must have a rational basis of whom is invited in. We can not make a Rome of America.

 

Server union, where you one that complained about exporting our jobs to other countries? that isn't oK, but letting illegal aliens do the work here is?? Is this because people of other color or nationality are lesser than the american whiteman and then we don't deserve the jobs you do?

I am trying to figure out the thinking here, maybe you didn't care about exporting jobs or importing the workers, but it seems that many liberal thinkers are against letting others have the good jobs, but making sure they have the "slaves" here to do the work they don't want to..

 

No. I am also not afraid of ghosts or the boogie man. To be afraid of something, it must have some reality or possibility to it.

I have yet to take any formal position on the immigration issue. It is extremely complex in nature and very multi-faceted. I am NOT for rounding up every illegal and deporting them. Those that are criminals, yes, but those that are just trying to make a better life, NO!

Our border MUST be secure. Every politician says this, but none that I'm aware of are doing anything for a solution. To heal a wound, you must stop the flow of blood before you can stitch it up. In this case, illegals flowing into our country are the "blood." We are REACTING to a problem. I liken this to anything else, such as a mushroom cloud. We should not be REACTING to things, we should solve problems before they become something to REACT to. Bush has done little, if anything, to solve this ever-growing problem. Yes, this is one area I'm disappointed with Bush in, but I've said that before.

From the larger picture, we need to:

1) Secure our border first and foremost. We must effectively stop the influx of illegals above all else, as a first order of measure. This is easier said than done. There are any number of options, but it takes action from Congress/President first and foremost.

2) With step one working, we must deal with those here illegally now. I would not support any measure to round them all up and deport them. I am opposed to that. We need a system where those that have caused no trouble (no criminal record) get a guest worker status that given certain criteria to follow, could lead them to citizenship. Speaking English, HS diploma or GED and other basic criteria. Those with criminal records, send them home. I won't support any political measure to simply round up people who are working hard for a better life and send them home. That's not a solution and I think it would be a bad decision.

Serve our country in the Armed Forces as another option. I remember a year or two ago, seeing a news article that an Iraq Veteran serving in the US Army, who was not a US citizen, was fighting to get citizenship and not be deported. This is absurd! I was pissed when I read it. If you serve our country and are not a citizen, you *should* get citizenship. What more could one *possibly* do to prove their worth for citizenship than serve our country?

3) With step one and two in place, immigration agency(s) can focus on rounding up those who have not applied for guest worker status. Since those with criminal records would be denied, these are the undesirables we'd want out of our country.

4) Address the economic problems of Mexico. They are our neighbor. Why are they so poor? What do we give them now, and how could we do it better to provide more economic growth to their country so that people would want to stay and live in their country? I'm not talking about a hand out every year. I'm talking about a hand up for long term investment into the economy of Mexico so that it can become self-sustaining. I must admit, I'm not familiar with what we do for Mexico in terms of aid. I know we help a lot of countries, even those that are hostile towards us.

As I said, it's a very complex problem. It deserves careful thought and most importantly, it deserves immediate attention.

 

They're one of the richest countries in the world, it's just the money received is because of the corrupt power which engulfs it. So that's one of the reasons why they're politically 'left' in that country, because the status-quo is only interested in maintaining their ingrained power. Most leftist want to shake that loose, and to some point I can see their reasoning. I just disagree with their method.

It really takes a lot for a country to open up to outside investment. For the better part it shows whether or not it really wants a free country.

Money has an odd dynamic of defusing power, because it implies that when it's controlled the least it's hard to maintain the most. Money is like water, and it will moving according to it's enviroment. Mexico's a melting ice-cube.

I would suggest one great thing for Mexico: privatize their oil industry and allow private investment in. Not only will they pump more oil, they'll have money for their public schools and infrastructure. All the oil money wouldn't go to support the regime that's haunted Mexico since it's nationalization. Only at this point will Mexico be able to move forward. Right now it's going down a hill with the brakes-on. It could easily do so much more.

 

How are they "one of the richest"?

In 2004 Mexico was ranked #44 with a GNI of 6,770. Pretty low considering the size of the country
GNI (or gross national product in the terminology of the 1968 United Nations System of National Accounts)

GTech - Thanks for the great reply. I find we have some of the same thoughts on the issue. I was able to pick up a few new points from you also...

 

*According to a certain context they are; obviously most Mexicans aren't.

A link that may help indentify my context
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/mexicoisrich.html

Consider these relevent facts:

• Mexico has the second-highest highest Gross Domestic Product in Latin America, after being #1 for several years over second-place Brazil.

• When measured in GDP per capita, Mexico ranks #1 as of 2005, ahead of Chile and Venezuela.

• According to Forbes magazine, a substantial proportion of Latin American billionaires, 10 out of 26, were Mexican as of 2005.

• Mexico expert Prof. George Grayson of William and Mary College calls Mexico an "immensely wealthy nation."

• Mexico's economy is the world's tenth largest.

 

[sarcasm]I now see why you are so pissed off at the mexican's![/sarcasm]

 

I note the sarcasm...

I'm not pissed off at a race of people. I don't even like calling them Mexicans because they're essentially natives with spanish blood.

I dislike the circumstance, and the reasons behind them. Mexico can be a great country, as could the majority of nations in the world. At best we're venting violent uprisings in Mexico, by relieve the government and it's higher henchmen of their responsibilities. A civil war in that country wouldn't be good, but it wouldn't be good if it collapsed either.

 

Why bother arguing with ServerUnion? Like most Liberals, he'll just end up going in circles with you. I.e. Uphold the laws we currently have, but leave the illegals that broke the laws alone; Protect the borders, but don't put up a fence or send soldiers to guard it; Arrest the companies that hire illegals, but don't put the illegals out of work; they want to do something, but can't make up their minds to just do it. Now do you see why Liberals can never get anything done? They always say they want to do something, but always comes up with ways to keep from doing it. It always goes around in circles with them. Frankly, they spin around in circles so much on every issue that I'm shock they can still stand up straight.

 

It's fun being antagonistic with people that feel so much, but never think.

If anyone watches CSPan for 10 minutes out of each day, you'll realize that atleast 3/4's of the dem arguements are based on feelings or pure anti-views ie they don't come up with their own method but they hate everything Republicans do. I'm not a Republican, and I've never voted for either major party,...although I will never vote for a democrat if they continue to stay in this anti-view approach.

I don't see any side as perfect or remotely perfect. I think the democrats are in a tail spin, leadership wise. I'm more apt to say that Republicans can reform their party to be much more appealing to the average public than dems could. It's sad, because the dems used to be a reasonable party to vote for, but those days seem so long ago.

 

I just know the logistics of deporting +5% of the population is not possible. We already have the work resources here, why not use them to our advantage. Work on allowing them to work.

Why dont you spin the fact that Bush has a 31% aproval rating. I am sure there is good reason. And , no, you cant you the term "liberal medea". You may start your banter now...