Yes, I was wrong.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by clinton, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. The Webby

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    #21
    Ahem...Dinosaur, Saber Tooth.. just to name a few...
     
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    #22
    They did not get extinct by killing each other.
     
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    #23
    Yeah but..

    What gives?
     
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    #24
    There were no human beings at the time of Dinosaurs. The species getting extinct in the current age is because of pollution, cutting of forests, hunting the animals down.
     
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  5. clinton

    clinton Well-Known Member

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    #25
    If this omnipotent, all knowing god exists then he shouldn't need to test us. In fact, this whole excuse "God doesn't stop us from choosing hell because he gave us a choice" shows that this god really isn't good, or love us.

    If he's all knowing(knows everything that happened in the past and is going to happen) then he knows who's going to hell before they're even born. And since he's omnipotent(all powerful) he not only lets us go to hell, he keeps us there forever. If one were to ask, why doesn't god just remove us from existence? Then the answer would be, "He can't do that because our souls live on forever." or "Because we chose that." in which we would have to conclude that god is not all powerful because (despite breaking his own morals) it's like he's picking and choosing.

    If god can't break his own rules and take us out of hell, then he either isn't omnipotent or he isn't good...and he frankly doesn't give a shit about us.

    If god has the power to keep us from hell and doesn't, he is a willing participant. I hardly think personal choice comes above keeping someone from eternal torture. And why would god even allow such a place to exist. Can't he just dissolve Satan and his angels?

    God can't be all powerful, all knowing, love the human race and allow horrors beyond the wildest imagination to happen to those he loves all at once. It doesn't add up.

    If you were a doctor in a hospital and you knew that the mother hated doctors, you would still do everything in your power to make sure the birth was successful. A doctor who had the power to save a dying baby, but didn't, is either lazy or doesn't care and has no business being a doctor.

    From what I can conclude, god is really sadistic, not good, not loving. Next time you're nealing to your god, asking him to forgive your sins, ask him why your grandparents went to hell for living decent lives, but he still reigns surprime after killing countless human beings(+babies). Also ask him, what makes murder by god different than murder by a human and why it should be treated any different.
     
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    #26
    Forget the current age, We both agree that there was no human intervention in extinction of Dinosaurs, right?

    So why dinosaurs are extinct? What sins did Dinosaur commit?
     
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    clinton Well-Known Member

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    #27
    The Dinosaurs because Athiests so God zapped them. LOL. That was the only entertainment God had until the humans came along. :D

    QED's a good choice of acronym. Ironic you should bring this up.

    These past few days I've been thinking someone should write a book called, "How to Argue Against an Atheist" because it seems that religious people have a habit of asking 3rd grade questions over and over again. Not different 3rd grade questions, but the same ones. I suppose this is due to spending too much time listening to religious teachers/preachers and not enough time reading and emersing themselves in the circulation of ideas in the modern world. God forbid you understand what you're arguing against. You might have to actually read a book or two. :O
     
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    clinton Well-Known Member

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    #28
    The Dinosaurs because Athiests so God zapped them. LOL. That was the only entertainment God had until the humans came along. :D

    QED's a good choice of acronym. Ironic you should bring this up.

    These past few days I've been thinking someone should write a book called, "How to Argue Against an Atheist" because it seems that religious people have a habit of asking 3rd grade questions over and over again. Not different 3rd grade questions, but the same ones. I suppose this is due to spending too much time listening to religious teachers/preachers and not enough time reading and immersing themselves in the circulation of ideas in the modern world. God forbid you understand what you're arguing against. You might have to actually read a book or two. :O
     
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    #29
    2.5% of the world are Atheists.

    That says it all.
     
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    #30
    I agree, intelligence and ability to use the brain is rare... 2.5% is a quite big number considering that...
     
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    #31

    Mankind is expelled and will perish without Remittance. Purity is what is sought irregardless a Believer or an Atheist both can find the Everlasting.

    There is no Hell - Christianity is a poor excuse as a path for Remission and should not be used in arguments for the existence of life beyond physiological death.
     
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    #32
    97.5% of the world have no intelligence and are not able to use their brains.

    Statisticss are the Atheists worst nightmare.
     
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    #33
    If you're concerned with following the belief with the highest percentage of followers, that would be Christianity.
     
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    #34
    The belief "that God exists" has the most following, 80-90%.

    Those of us who believe in God only differ in who we worship, e.g. Christians worship Jesus instead of God, but they still believe in God and are included in the 80%-90% of those who believe that God exists.

    By "God" I mean Creator.

    The whole point of mentioning that Atheists are only 2.5% of the population was to illustrate how small Atheists are, and that it would be insane to conclude from those statisticss that this small group knows it all, and everyone else is un-educated and stupid.

    And your statement sounded very much like a classic straw man argument.
     
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    #35
    Classic example of why it is nearly pointless to try to have a academic discussion with the militant atheist . You continuously insult what your interlocutor holds in honor and respect , then you proceed to insult his/her intelligence and parade you allegedly superior intellect . Not one shred of intelligence or wisdom in this post of yours . Frankly I've seen this type of replies many times in gaming forums , 4chan and various other places where teenagers and children vent their frustrations and their immature opinions .

    If you want to wage war against the religious you should at least take a few lessons from stOx and refine your linguistic skills , right now you sound like Israei over here and he's a islamo-fascist that would love nothing more to see global sharia implemented . I'm assuming you know what kind of ideal and sentiments fuel him .

    Have a nice day :)

    @Rebecca - Nice touch but i think he won't understand your fine irony .
     
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    #36
    Every living/non-living thing in the universe performs its prescribed function. It is only human beings who are given a free will, whether to accept and submit his/her will to the will of Allah or to become a worshipper of own desires. God does not need us, it is we who need him, even though we can not give anything to him, it He who is the giver, he loves the mankind more than a human being can love the other human being. For the guidance of humans He has sent messengers in all the ages. All He wants from us in return is to submit our will to the will of Allah.
    We will be judged according to the actions we perform in this world. God is the most merciful, the most forgiving, the most kind but He is also the most Just. And the justice requires that each and every human being is to be judged according to the actions performed in this world. If you ask for forgiveness of your sins than God will forgive it provided that the repentance is with true heart and with the intention of never doing it again. Even if you commit that sin again and ask God for forgiveness with true heart, God will forgive it, no matter how big your sin is. He is listening to our prayers as long as we are alive.
    On that day we will be asked for all the blessings that we have been blessed with. The smallest blessing is a breath of air that we take in.

    As for the human beings in this world, we can not do justice in this world. What is the maximum punishment a person can get for killing one person, its the death penalty. The maximum punishment for a person killing 1000 people is also death penalty. Can they both be equal? Does this make sense?

    We can never be just in this world.
     
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    #37
    Pretty funny, how you steered cleared of my question again..
     
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    #38
    Dinosaurs and other creatures were made for a purpose, that purpose was fulfilled and they were made extinct. The oil and gas below the earth which is the source of energy in almost all the applications is because of the remains of those massive, extinct creatures.
     
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    #39
    I don't think he will either. :)
     
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    #40
    So in other words, you want to say it was God's will?
     
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