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Yahoo! is Penalizing Co-Op Sites [Proof]

Discussion in 'Yahoo' started by rex_b, Nov 29, 2005.

  1. Design Agent

    Design Agent Peon

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    #101
    1.In general both refers to
    2. archiving
    3. due to the fact that i (no full stop/ capitalization)
    4. incoming and outgoing links are part of what our ranking algorithm considers- (ambigious)
    5. it depends on -(it is dependent on)
    SEMrush
    Im starting to doubt that quote was from an email from yahoo in the first place.
     
    Design Agent, Dec 3, 2005 IP
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  2. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #102
    By the way, rex, did you ever have a look at the thread referenced in the link from this post on page 1 of this thread?

    In particular, this post from palespyder:

     
    minstrel, Dec 3, 2005 IP
  3. rex_b

    rex_b Peon

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    #103
    You want the email?
     
    rex_b, Dec 3, 2005 IP
  4. rex_b

    rex_b Peon

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    #104
    Never said it did, just posting it for information. People do come here for that.
     
    rex_b, Dec 3, 2005 IP
  5. jazzylee77

    jazzylee77 Peon

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    #105
    it's not inconceivable Yahoo! would have a language challenged employee...suspiciously quick turnaround on that question though!
     
    jazzylee77, Dec 3, 2005 IP
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #106
    Mostly because they have a fraction of the coop weight I had
     
    ferret77, Dec 3, 2005 IP
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #107
    So it's NOT the Coop Ad Network ads per se but the sudden appearance of a large number of links? Is that what you're saying?

    I don't believe that was the point rex_b was trying to make. He was saying he had "proof" that Yahoo doesn't like the Coop.
     
    minstrel, Dec 3, 2005 IP
  8. Matts

    Matts Berserker

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    #108
    I agree. I see no direct signs of trouble and have been using coop for a year. If the SE's are truly looking at the big picture then they shouldn't -- they just need to account for it.
     
    Matts, Dec 3, 2005 IP
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    Matts Berserker

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    #109
    How can sharing free ads be compared to criminal activities? Most of us are using lots of free tools like php, freebsd, mysql, linux, apache, gd, etc giving us a competitive advantage over those paying thousands of dollars to license Windoze or IBM Websphere. Microsoft has been whining about this for some time and but they don't have a real argument. Back to the coop, I don't feel the SEs can make a moral case against free ad networks. If they really had a case they'd contact Shawn and have him do something to help them -- but's it's really the SE's issue to resolve any extra ranking caused by the coop.

    In my opinion, it's more likely that a sudden large jump in back links caused by joining the coop that could hurt SERPs and not the coop in general. That's part of the google patent. Sitting quiet and staying with the coop could have been just as rewarding as leaving -- maybe better.

    As for crooks, the number is about 1 in 10, so we each know a few and probably don't even know it.
     
    Matts, Dec 3, 2005 IP
  10. Design Agent

    Design Agent Peon

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    #110
    Not particularly, but you can send it if you like ;)
     
    Design Agent, Dec 4, 2005 IP
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #111
    Unless it is forwarded in its entirety, with headers intact, it won't mean a damn thing. Even rex can edit text, I presume. :rolleyes:
     
    minstrel, Dec 4, 2005 IP
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    rex_b Peon

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    #112
    Wow so now I'm faking emails. You guys are pathetic.
     
    rex_b, Dec 4, 2005 IP
  13. elkiwi

    elkiwi Active Member

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    #113
    I'm not an SEO expert but the program I use to analise my pages (web ceo) always tells me that the major se's don't like keyword repetition in description and keyword tags.

    <meta name="keywords" content="Cruise Line Forums - Cruise Reviews, Cruise Ports, Cruise Destinations, Cruise Ships, Cruise Excursions, carnival, royal carribean, western carribean, eastern carribean, hawaii, cruising, travel, alaskan cruise, cruise ships, norwegian cruise line, disney cruise line, cruise critics, fun ships, freestyle, cruise news, princess cruise, europe cruise, mexico cruise" />
    
    <meta name="description" content="Cruise Line Forums - Cruise Reviews, Cruise Ports, Cruise Destinations, Cruise Ships, Cruise Excursions" />
    Code (markup):
    You don't need to repeat the word cruise in either...your description could be:

    Cruise Line Forums - Cruise Reviews,  Ports,  Destinations, Cruise Ships, and Excursions
    Code (markup):
    I rekon this is a more likely reason for your serps.
     
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    Design Agent Peon

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    #114
    More? :D
    Send minstrel the email and he'll tell you if its fake..
     
    Design Agent, Dec 4, 2005 IP
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #115
    Or just see elkiwi's post above. :rolleyes:
     
    minstrel, Dec 4, 2005 IP
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    rex_b Peon

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    #116
    I'll give it a try.
     
    rex_b, Dec 4, 2005 IP
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    SportsOutlaw Active Member

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    #117
    let me know how that works out for you Rex. I may need to take a close look at my keyword and description usage as well.

    I rank pretty well on google, and MSN, but for the past couple months my rankings have been dead for yahoo. I have one keyword ranking high, the rest dont even achieve top 200 presense.

    The only common denominator we both have is coop ads. In the past couple weeks, my coop weight has finaly increased from 2,000 to 23,000. As a result, google rankings and MSN rankings have both climbed rather well. My lone yahoo keyword ranking dropped.
     
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  18. hunter

    hunter Peon

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    #118
    No proof in that canned message got one today exactly the same. Never heard of coop might have to give it a try.

    Two points
    1. I got reply way too fast for Yahoo to have checked my site (just a few hours). To get actual human support from Yahoo takes days (sometimes weeks) not hours. The message is generic and doesn't help in the least.

    2. I checked my server logs No accesses from Yahoo corp IP addresses. The email did in fact originate from Yahoo-inc IP block. I halfway expected it to come from Yahoo China. I doubt they would mask or spoof the IP and it would have been obvious what they looked at. I wish they had bothered to check my site, my server logs would have told more than any email ever could.

    I am thinking about sending an inquiry about somebody elses domain at random that have decent but not stellar rankings in Yahoo just to see if I get same reply.
     
    hunter, Dec 7, 2005 IP
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