Yahoo Hates My Sites Since It Validates . . .

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by gobbly2100, Dec 11, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hey,

    Well this is annoying, ever since I decided to change from a crappy old HTML table design that was a mess as it was built in Dreamweaver to a nice clean validating CSS layout, Yahoo has decided to put me from second down to 9th . . .

    I don't understand why Yahoo has done this when the content is all the same, lower page load, formatted correctly etc. Could it be temporary or would you guess it just don't like my new updated validating site?

    For anyone interested in taking a look it is my Huxley MMOFPS site.

    Would be nice to see what people think about this.
     
    gobbly2100, Dec 11, 2007 IP
  2. pajamadeen

    pajamadeen Peon

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    #2
    Doesn't make much sense to me either, especially since Yahoo's own code doesn't validate (and neither does Google's)
     
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  3. gobbly2100

    gobbly2100 Banned

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    #3
    I am not too worried as 90% of my search engine visits are from Google anyway but it really does annoy me when I put a ton of hours into making that site as perfect as can be yet it don't pay off atall really, I am just going to lose out on some visits from Yahoo!
     
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    astup1didiot Notable Member

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    #4
    Technically you should expect the same to happen with Google as well, redesigning your website makes the search engines think it's a new page, content, etc. If you view your site with a crawler's view it will look different now then it did before. This is not uncommon.
     
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  5. gobbly2100

    gobbly2100 Banned

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    #5
    The content has remained 100% the same but I see what you are saying, I just think it sucks when the site has a lot less crappy code all over the place, well no crappy code now.

    Are you suggestiong just giving it time or something then and it will pick up again?
     
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  6. astup1didiot

    astup1didiot Notable Member

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    Yes, just give it time. Continue to build back-links and create new content.
     
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  7. SlingshotSEO

    SlingshotSEO Peon

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    #7
    I would remove some of the outgoing links you have unless you're making really good money from them, or make them nofollow. Does your CSS look good in IE7, IE6 and Firefox? Text positioning, size, boldness and other factors make a difference. I would make sure all of that is consistent with the previous design. It could also just be a coincidence, your competition might have made improvements.
     
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  8. seomudda

    seomudda Peon

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    #8
    Hi,

    Ranking also depend upon structure os site, you can check structure of site and incoming and outgoing link to home page........
     
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    #9
    Question, could it be that you changed the "text to code" ratio. Dreamweaver is noted for adding excessive and unneeded code.

    And does your CSS design pass "validation"?
     
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  10. gobbly2100

    gobbly2100 Banned

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    #10
    Well the content to code ratio has changed big time as it is no longer a table design, it has gone from like 50k + to 16k but all of the content remains the same so that shows you just how much crappy code there was there before.

    Before it had no chance of validating the way it was but now it validates perfectly.
     
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  11. lee_vhoi_ol

    lee_vhoi_ol Well-Known Member

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    #11
    It could be just a fluctuation, I experience that sometimes, only to get even higher rankings than the original position later.
     
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  12. vipsvvvv

    vipsvvvv Peon

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    #12
    maybe this is why ...

    Just wanted to let you know that Google Groups is doing a bit of
    database maintenance today and you may notice intermittent ups-and-
    downs. We'll un-sticky this post once it's resolved.

    i just found this on Google Groups maintenance section

    all the best G
     
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  13. gobbly2100

    gobbly2100 Banned

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    #13
    Well it is still 9th and it happened when I finally got around to caching my new site.

    I just hope that I will see myself back at the top again soon, I don't get much traffic from Yahoo but it all helps hey.
     
    gobbly2100, Dec 13, 2007 IP
  14. mfashraf

    mfashraf Active Member

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    #14
    either its because google read it as a new page or the algorithm has changed again.. it'd take a while for it to update so give it some time.. wish you all the best though
     
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  15. Sava

    Sava Peon

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    #15
    try naming your css classes with keywords from your website.

    For example you have a cats site ...

    <html>
    <head>
    </head>
    <body>
    <div class="cats-body"></div>
    <div class="cats-logo"></div>
    <div class="cats-description"></div>
    </body>
    </html>

    This way you will have more keywords in your pages viewed only by spiders ;)
     
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    #16
    yes you probably somehow changed a relevancy factor when you switched code, it you have the means run a analysis of your current page to the old one.
     
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    #17
    Sava, not only won't that do any good, but it also loses all semantic meaning as well. Use your classes and IDs sparingly and wisely (especially since CSS has this thing called "contextual selectors") to mark up what the element with the class or ID is about (in other words, give it meaning).
     
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    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    #18
    i dont care Y anymore. i'm getting %99 of my visitors from G . i also wonder who use Y :)
     
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