yahoo backlinks not helping?

We currently are going for a specfic keyword phrase in yahoo.

We have 22,400 backlinks in Yahoo however cannot seem to get past #22 in the SERP's. We bounce around from 22-35.

The top position is coming from the yahoo directory.

Does this mean that we should be in the yahoo directory in order to get top ranking within Yahoo?

It looks as if 90% of the ones above us are being pulled from the Yahoo Directory.

The next website near us that I can tell has only 3000 backlinks.

Can anyone offer some friendly advice?

 

For free?

The site in your sig has some "exposed" html > look under "We will, in turn, advertise your website throughout our entire website for free."

You probably could find some help by searching the forum for "yahoo" and "yahoo directory" "yahoo backlinks".

added also look in the similar thread like at the bottom of this thread

example
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=7857

 

It is my experience that Yahoo isn't so discreet about where you get your IBL from. For example, sig links seem to work quite well in Yahoo. Also IBL from within your website seem to work well. As you focus on getting IBL with targeted keyword in it as anchor text, you should be able to increase your SERP pretty steadily. It's not like Google that requires you to do a lot more to get good SERP.

 

That is not exposed HTML. That is html that is intentionally put there for people to copy. It uses &gt and &lt witht he ;'s

 

Backlinks work on Yahoo too, but you have to make sure that you have text links that include your keywords or image links with the right keywords in the ALT tags.

 

We have over 25,000 baclinks in yahoo that all include the proper anchor text. Our pages are optimized for those search terms.

The number 1 website has only 1000 baclinks or something like that.

We are number 32.

I would like to know when they help because I have been seeing our backlinks increase tremendously however our ranking has stayed the same.

 

Productive, I can agree with you. It seems that you need to be in the yahoo directory to be top of the serps in yahoo!. We have 228,000 IBLs in yahoo (thanks to the co-op and many site-wides) many of which are very established news sites.. but can't seem to penetrate the first page for our keywords.

 

I have a site that ranks #2 in Yahoo for a very competitive search term (just one spot above the Yahoo directory listing actually) without being in the directory. This site has about 31K backlinks in Yahoo, pretty much all through the Coop network.

I would think that a directory listing probably helps, but it's not necessary to rank well in Yahoo.

 

I have broke down and submitted to the yahoo directory despite their horrible TOS agreement that I don't agree with 1 shred of anything that is in it..... let's give it a try to see if we move up from 32 to 1...

 

We had the same problem-much better IBL than the competition although none of us were in the Directory. We solved it and went to #1, not by getting in the directory. Clue: If it's not off page, then it must be on page. You say you have it optimized, that's what we thought too, until we took apart the competitors and played around with the on page factors until we tweeked it into #1. The good thing is that Yahoo is picking up our changes in less than 24 hours. So some days we were able to test 2 versions in the same day to find what worked and what didn't. Fortunuately we were in the top ten, and knew that ranking changes were as a result of our efforts, and not by what the competition was doing.
We're now using the same process to get to the top on a much more competitve phrase.

 

Any surprise Java with the on page stuff? I believe I read google does not "do" keyword proximity. Do you think yahoo does?

 

We had the competition beat on Keyword proximity before tweeking, so that wasn't the deciding factor, so I don't know how much emphasis Yahoo uses for that factor. In fact we had the competition beat on all the factors in WebPositions Page Critique and IBPs Keyword Density Analzyer.

Dig through and compare a page that is ranked higher but with way fewer back links compared to another page and the on page keyword differences should be apparent.

 

Thanks for the Advice Java

 

Java can you give us an example of some of the things you found wrong on your page? What changes did you have to make? I'm currently redoing some pages for Yahoo instead of MSN because I've learned MSN traffic blows.

 

I have one site that has nearly a million backlinks on yahoo and still i have never been able to surpass the top 20 results for a "fairly competitive" keyword. It's not with the number of links that you have pointing back to your site - it's about the QUALITY of those links!

 

Guys and Ladies,

We joined the directory, paid the outlandish fee, and agreed to the horrid TOS they have and the results are positive. The day after we did that, we have been number 1 & 2 in yahoo. We have been that since I posted in this thread back in March. We have made enough to offset the expense. I will continue to pay the $300.00 per year that they want to be in their stupid directory that does absolutely nothing else for you other than help your rankings within the yahoo search engine.

Beware of joining. Make sure that your description is EXACTLY what you want and that you don't have your keyword phrase or any part of it repeated twice in that description as you will NOT be able to change it. I have written in 20 times to change our description and they just ignore me. I hate yahoo!

Just my 2 cents.

 

ProductivePC,

You mean you've paid for a Y! Directory inclusion? $300??? I'm not following a thing :s

In any case, the Yahoo directory listing is a total scam!!! You absolutely can't get good rankings on yahoo search just by having you listed in the directory, regardless of industry, it has absolutely NO EFFECT! Raise this issue on webmasterworld and you'll soon see most Y! experts go crazy telling you it has no effect!! It's pretty weird you had good rankings after being listed in the Y! directory. Very weird indeed!

 

Yeah but his experience seems to directly contradict what those "Experts" might say.. He is here telling us that he got to number one because he got in the directory. First hand experience, as anecdotal as it is...

 

I do believe that the Yahoo! Directory listing has an effect and I have seen many sites get ranked from the moment they get in there. However, it also depends on the listing, who edits it and what category he/she allows you in with which title and description.

 

In my opinion yahoo backlinks can help increase your website pages in the search result.
just site:xx.com
the more backlinks you have, the more search result will be listed.