Hey refering to this topic http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1011953 I've been scammed and after paypal investigation (!) see what I get. Scamming is that easy all I can say Dear XXX, After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below. We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed. Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account. Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PayPal. ----------------------------------- Transaction Details ----------------------------------- Seller's Name: jan ico Seller's Email: Seller's Transaction ID: 7S846700BA5952543 Transaction Date: Sep 4, 2008 Transaction Amount: -$20.00 USD Your Transaction ID: 4Y173161JU231124S Case Number: PP-540-353-477 Buyer's Transaction ID: 4Y173161JU231124S ----------------------------------- What to Do Next ----------------------------------- This case is now closed. No further action is required by you at this time. ----------------------------------- Other Details ----------------------------------- To make sure future transactions proceed smoothly, we suggest you visit the PayPal site and click the Security Center link located at the bottom of any page. There you will find tips on how to avoid fraudulent sellers in the "Fraud Prevention Tips for Buyers" section. Sincerely, PayPal Protection Services Department Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and you will not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account and click the Help link in the top right corner of any PayPal page. BCP-540-353-477:R2:USD20.00:09/05/2008:4Y173161JU231124S
Yeah, us sellers get scammed all the time. It's very easy. Support www.paypalsucks.com, it wont help you, but it will raise awareness.
Remember guys, it is not Paypal which scam you, it is the buyer/seller who did it to you. You should be angry at the buyer/seller and not at Paypal. Paypal was not physically there when you sold what you sold or bought what you bought. As a direct party of the deal, you need to do your due diligence as it is your responsibility. You do know from the various threads here that there are quite a number of people who advocate using fake details, ignoring the purpose of verification and ignoring rules and regulations. It is no longer a safe place to deal in as the members no longer play fair.
I wonder why it is easier now for scammer to roam around paypal. It is really weird though that you have not recovered any money after you have win the disputes.
Why ? it's quite easy .... withdraw the funds .... close account and that's all there is to it. As long as the member didn't use a credit card or associate a bank account with the account - he can simply walk away and repet the process .... Yes it sucks, but what else can PayPal do ? can they get insured to cover such cases - so that they can look after the scammed ? nope because then people would be opening and claiming bogus disputes ....
Why is a lot of people blaming Paypal here and not blaming the ultimate culprit who cheated both you and paypal ? Who was the one who decided to deal with the other party anyways, was it you or paypal ? Did paypal forced you or persuaded you to deal with the other party ?
It seems you are helpless now! If you have good luck, then you will surely get your money back or else you need to forget it, sorry to say! After all, it is $20, Why worry so much??
I got the same thing from PayPal. I REGRET that we can not get your money back. Just to let know guys all know. I found that jackass, trying to scam other people. Here is a post I found that he posted on the 5th of September. http://www.talkblogging.com/general...oking-50-per-day-i-need-business-partner.html And yes, other times when I disputed with PayPal I got my money back.
That's right, paypal was not there. But their policy is very helpful for the scammers. Which I don't understand is these guys withdraw money immediately because paypal can't find fund to refund. So that means they have a bank record. Why paypal don't report them to police department? If they don't then that's mean paypal is part of it. May they have inorganic relations with these guys.
what else ways to withdraw fund other than bank account and cc (echeck also refers to bank) PayPal should have record of them if scammer withdraw money.(at least IP records)
Well my worries is not about the total of money, thats God I have this experience with small amount of money. Some days in the past I sent $200 $300 for other businesses so I understand that there is no guarantee that makes me scared.
Every day, businesses are exposed to fraud and business risk and that is nothing to do with Paypal. The thing is that even if this is considered a criminal case, it is between you and your customer and it has nothing really to do with Paypal. It is like if you pay someone through a check and the person scammed you by not delivering the goods, is your bank with which you issue the check from be liable for the transaction ? It is pretty much the same thing. Most importantly, paypal was not a party to the transaction so if they can go and make a police report, the police would dismiss the case because they are not there as witness nor are they direct party to the transaction. Paypal cannot testify for you in any case since there were not there physically when the transaction took place. It certainly would make them look stupid. Besides, in the end it is your word against the other party. How is paypal or the police be there to determine who is telling the truth. The other issue is about jurisdiction. If the other party is not in the same state or country as paypal, it cannot report it to the local police because the local police would only handle cases which happened in that state or county. Besides anyone who plans to scam online would probably maintain fake details so it is unlikely the person would be traceable without costing more than the $20 to track them down. Banks would probably not release confidential customer particulars unless there is a court order. In the end, it probably is cheaper to just close the case. The onus really lies on your end to do the necessary due deligience before you start working with the other party. A contract is after all between a Willing Buyer and Willing Seller. Don't get me wrong, I am not siding the one who cheated you but sometimes we just have to be realistic about the real world and to take the option which would cost you the least grieve and financial loss. Just take it as a learning experience so that in the future, each time you want to deal with someone, either as a buyer or a seller, you take the time to do your homework and do the necessary due deligience by checking up on the other parties' integrity and past records before dealing thus minimizing your risk. If something is too good to be true, it is most likely not true.