HI there guys, I am paying £77 ($121) for 6GB ram and 100gb hard driver on 1and1 cloud server. Any better option available?
There's probably going to be something better e.g. Rackspace Cloud, and something cheaper too, but what's you goal here? If you find a provider who is providing excellent reliability, good performance, and good support, any saving you make by changing won't be worth it if you don't get the same levels of service. You shouldn't worry too much about what you are paying compared to everyone else. Cheaper is rarely better. It brings to mind an old saying....don't be the sort of person who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. If you're happy where you are - stay there. And no, I don't work for 1&1.
Honestly, that's not a terrible price. You can expect to pay $15+ per gigabyte of RAM, assuming it's dedicated. $15 is certainly going to be on the low end. The hard drive space is a tad low, but that's not the end of the world, unless you're running out of space. Ron Brown makes another very good point, and no, he doesn't work for 1 and 1. If you're happy where you are now and are getting good service, I'd stay. You also might want to look at dedicated servers. They're not going to be cloud hosting, but the server resources are all yours. They're not going to be as powerful as the cloud service you're using either...at least not within your budget, but having your own dedicated resources might actually yield better performance.
try virtuallydedicated.com for there hybrid vps per month with the additional ram would be $54.82 per month with out cpanel with 1 ip.4 vcpu6gb ram 120gb space
I'd be really careful with low-ball offers like that. That's barely $9/gig of RAM, not counting the drive space or anything else. It's either going to be oversold or OpenVZ-based or something.
At $9/gig, it has to be oversold. There's no way you can put together a dual quad core server with RAID10 (or SAN storage, since it's cloud) for those prices, and offer dedicated RAM. Not going to happen. It's basically a 16GB server costing you $150/mo. and you'd still be making a profit, so in reality, the server would have to be cheaper than that. So are we talking $6/GB of RAM or so at their cost? Try putting a server together at those kinds of pricepoints and see what you come up with...even for completely owned co-lo equipment. Or perhaps my 2nd option is the correct one and they're using incredibly outdated equipment. According to a post from about 10 months ago, they're using ridiculously old desktop-grade servers...Q6600's. Yikes! With that kind of equipment, you might very well be able to get the costs down to those prices.
Trust me there is no issue with the vps's. You have to remember they are load balanced and they are now moving into newer servers. There is nothing wrong with there vps they are serioulsly stable. Plus they are cloud grid based.
They very well could be stable. I'm just addressing the price. Being on a cloud grid or load balanced does not make the server cost any cheaper. $9/GB is either oversold, or on very old equipment, no matter how you slice it. Like I said, try putting a server together for $9/GB and see what you can come up with. Truly dedicated RAM on a cloud or VPS server is going to cost you considerably more than $9.
These are some of the better cloud providers out there: http://www.stormondemand.com/pricing/ http://www.cleverkite.com/pricing http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ http://cloudweb.com/cloud-web-servers That's the price of truly dedicated RAM on good equipment. That's what it costs to run a cloud server on a quality platform, with no oversold resources.
@wswd this is directly from the owner of VirtuallyDedicated.com / Rockmyweb.net "Three things that help us stay affordable:1. We build our own servers and don't use the "newest" processors available, this helps us keep costs down but we still get a powerful processor. If you buy a processor right when it is released vs 6 months after it is released, the price difference is amazing. 2. The servers we built, we built for the long haul. We make sure we have enough power and reliable hardware to make our servers last 3 years in production.3. We are in a datacenter outside of a major city (therefore space and power is much cheaper than actually being in Chicago)."
Vs. 6 months after it's released??? They're running Q6600's, which in July will be 6 years old. ROFL!! They're also desktop grade (not server-grade) hardware. With that in mind, sure, it's very easy to make a profit at those price points, but you still have those 2 items to contend with. You could probably run a very profitable cloud on old Pentium 4's, but... That list of providers in my last post, is a VERY good indication of what it costs to run a cloud, on good equipment and on a good network. $9 for a gig of RAM? That's cheaper than one of the VPSs (non-cloud) over at Burst.net, and I'm sure we all know how oversold and overloaded most of their equipment is. Even on completely owned, outdated equipment...if you could co-locate each server for $50/mo. (which you're going to find is insanely cheap), you're talking 6 out of the 8 GB of memory sold on the processor is being used just to break even. So they're making slightly over $20/mo. profit for each server? They claim they don't oversell, so we can't factor that in. Then you have costs for your staff, replacement parts, etc. Sorry, but the numbers just don't add up for me.
well here we go Full Rack Colocation - $399.95 40 U's of Space 20 Amps of Power Unmetered 10 Meg bandwidth - $99.95 Dedicated KVM over IP system. - $59.95 additional 125 IP addresses /25 - $119.95 $679.80 / per month so if he has 34 1u servers in the rack (leaves room for pdu and switches ) per server colocation $20.00 so if you figure non oversold 6 * 1 gb vps per system total cost per vps is $3.34 so how's that math add up for you? now this doesn't build in any discounts he may have for being a long time customer and multiple racks.or hardware costs that can be written off and depreciated and roi. He has been around for quite a few years so i am guessing he has at least got a few discounts and such.
Not very well. Power All our racks each have 64A of power delivered to them and we don't have a full rack using less than 28A. I can't see 20A cutting it in terms of power and I certainly wouldn't want to be relying upon it during a multi-server reboot following a power loss. There's also no redundancy, so he'll need additional power connections to provide power redundancy (most DC's have dual circuits). Adding more power is EXPENSIVE Bandwidth 10MB of bandwidth for 34 servers, split into 6 VPS's each? By my arithmetic (don't need any "maths" here), thats 204 VPSs each getting less that 16GB of data transfer a month or 0.04mbps each. For that number of servers he'd probably be needing Gigabit connections. Then, we need BGP4 for redundancy, so he'll need around 3No. GB connections from 3 different providers. The true costs will be several times that. Colocation Only $399 per month. We use APC 1000x800 42u or 47U racks. Our cheapest colocation costs are around $1600 per rack per month, going up to $6000 per rack per month with additional power requirements. However, I can't argue with that cost because I don't know where they are co-locating. KVM over IP $59? You're having me on! We run a KVM over IP system for all our servers. We did try a cheaper make (Altusen) but it didn't cut the mustard. How about $2000 for the switch, and $60 for the dongle for each server, for a more realistic cost. Networking Switches, Routers, and Power distribution. Our rack set-up costs are approximately $12000 dollars per rack doing it very cheaply and maybe re-cycling some older switches to start off with We need 1No APC Rack, 2No Gigabit L3 switches, 4No. Gigabit L2 Switches, 4No Gigabit Smart Switches, 2No APC Transfer switches, 2No Zero-U APC Power strips, 2No 8 Port APC power strips (there's never enough power strips), 2No KVM System Extension Switches, KVM Dongles for each new server, and a pile of patche cables...and that's before any servers get added. Spares No matter how good your stuff is, you need to have spares on hand. Space Fans, Power supplies, disks, and RAM are the most common replacements. Additional pre-configured spare servers are also important. Licensing There may be licensing costs. We're Windows hosts and our SPLA costs run into a scary 4-figure sum per month (and we're just a small host in relation to some of them out there). It's a charity! We'll, no it isn't. He needs to pay himself a salary. Lets say he's a glutton for punishment and works for $40,000 per year. That's almost $4000 per month for his salary. That number of servers, and with the subsequent number of customers, will probably need at least 1 additional person working for him to provide 24/7 cover. That's another $3000 (min) per month. There's absolutely no way, on this earth, he's got his own racks, servers, bandwidth and all the other gubbings that go with it and doing it for less than $700 per month (give or take a few bucks). Multiply that by 15 and it's slightly more realistic but very poor...or maybe he isn't colocating at all but has a cheap-ass server from a discount provider.
proof is on colostore.com take a look you can see the pricing. it's all there in black and white. Next time do some research on what the actual price is at his colocation facility.
It still doesn't come anywhere close to adding up. The biggest flaw is the 10mbps connection for 40 servers. Are you kidding me? If he is putting 40 servers on a 10mbps connection, I want no part of it. Don't want to come anywhere close to a VPS with that setup. Secondly, as RonBrown so elegantly pointed out, you're not factoring in the hardware costs (somebody had to pay for them at some point), the support/sales/technical staff, the owner's salary, any other employee salaries, licensing costs, etc. Then we still have the fact that he is running a cloud system on 6 year old desktop-grade hardware. Sorry, but not interested. Like I said, I have listed the prices (twice now) of real, legitimate cloud providers, running quality up-to-date hardware, on quality networks. Doesn't get easier than that.
That's a bit rich when I admitted that I didn't know the pricing of his colocation, but it doesn't negate your ignorance of all the other costs involved and the fact that you didn't account for a single salary. I still contend that your idea he is running a rack of server for under $700 is so far from reality that it has to be discounted.