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Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by Patient, Nov 3, 2004.

  1. #1
    I currently have a new website under construction and it will have 5 major sections. I could construct it within one domain using folders or subdomains.

    I could also construct it on 5 different domains qualifying for five accounts in the network (a major plus I think you would agree).

    I am keen to play fair in the network and therefore ask:
    SEMrush
    do you guys consider this to be cheating or legit?
     
    Patient, Nov 3, 2004 IP
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    Why would it be cheating?... each registered domain can have an account... I currently have two on two domains, totally unrelated.

    From what I understand so far though, you might be shooting yourself in the foot, in that each account would have a lower weighting, as each would only have (say) 1/5th of the adspace. And you will have five smaller sites, when the thing seems to be to go for a larger site with more pages and internal linking (as far as I can gather). Given that you can run approved ads for any site on the one account, you might give yourself a little more flexibility if you go for the former option.

    Please correct me someone if my reasoning is fallacious.

    Adam
     
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  3. Patient

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    Thanks for your input Adam.

    The answer to the question you pose depends upon whether the site is large enough to sub-divide in this way. If it is then a major bonus can be achieved.

    One site I have in the network already is 25,000 pages plus and I am happy to contribute this number of extra pages to the coop network (I am totally grateful that Shawn created the tool and you guys all came on board).

    The site I am currently working on will eventually be much much bigger than 25,000 pages e.g. if I can make my forum a success it alone could be bigger than this.

    So I am looking at site structure from a number of different angles (mostly SE related) but the coop network is also a potentially important angle.
     
    Patient, Nov 3, 2004 IP
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    As I understand it, with all else being equal, one (1) larger site vs. five (5) smaller sites is a more successful model not only for the Ad Network but for SEO too.
     
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    Sorry Jeffrey but I would have to disagree. For SEO the 5 sites would be much better than one.

    What would be a lot worse is administration.
     
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    If you don't mind me asking, what advantage do you see to five (5) smaller sites compared to one (1) "Authority" site?
     
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    I am talking about 5 'authority' sites (though I am of the opinion that authority sites are not part of the algo).

    Let me give you an example - I am SEO consultant for a client who used to have a few thousand pages of his site indexed - the content has not changed but he now has >2million indexed pages and >3.5m uniques monthly.

    I considered the one site option for.... all of about 5 seconds.
     
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    If you don't mind me asking, what leads you to belive that "Authority" sites are not part of the algo?
     
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    Either way, You won't see a boost from having multiple sites.

    At least i'm pretty sure you won't.
     
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    5 sites is always harder because you have to get 5 times as many backlinks. Its easier - not only from an administration point of view - but from a linkbuilding point of view to have 1 larger site and work on it instead.

    I used to have 5 ecommerce sites; I'm down to 2 now and it is sooo much easier to improve rankings now since I'm not dividing time between 5 disparate sites.
     
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    I agree that they are multiple issues to consider and its the administration overhead for 5 sites that has me most concerned.

    However, a combination of the coop network and a potentially very large number of pages (for 1 site!) has me leaning in the 5 site direction at present.

    As for authority sites - I am not saying they aren't part of the algo - simply that I have so far seen zero evidence to support the concept.
     
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    keep in mind you may run into the "cap" with 1 large site, whereas you are less likely to hit the cap if you have 5 smaller sites. Just to throw my $.02 in about 5 vs. 1 for SEO, there are advantages both ways, but if you have the 5 smallers sites all hosted on seperate C-class ips, you would have the distinct advantage of inter-linking them all, thus boosting your rankings for all 5... it's easier to rank better for a larger number of search terms with 5 sites than it is with 1... it's a good way to spread yourself out a bit wrt SEO.
     
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    I agree "thebassman" - getting all your pages spidered has got be the top priority (it doesn't matter how good the content if the SE doesn't come around).

    As no-one seems interested in my original question I will offer my own answer.

    "It's OK to use 5 different domain names and have 5 different coop accounts but to hold to the spirit of the network you should ensure that the SE's recognise them as 5 unique & different websites"

    I have deliberately not said "put them on different class3 IPs" because I have not yet seen any evidence that this makes a difference and... the SE's could go beyond IP addresses to include other factors.
     
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    Patient> you haven't seen evidence for the Authority technology, nor for the IP/Host Affiliation filters...

    Have you looked for it?
     
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    Hi TOPS30

    It isn't so much that i've exhaustively looked for it. Its more the case that I have so much evidence that same IP linking without any authority inbounds can work exceptionally well.

    I haven't done much posting on forums though I have lurked a lot from time to time. But one thing I have noticed is a tendency for people to quote chapter and verse at each other on an issue where their experiences are actually very narrow and very different. Its a recipe for misunderstanding and confusion.

    Whilst my experience is reasonably broad you must take account of the fact that >80% of my experience has been gained on sites that are very large with lots of moderate competitive KWP. The other 20% is your more straightforward approach with highly competitive keywords.
     
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    OK. Just wondered how you got to your ideas on these subjects.

    I have different experiences myself.
     
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    I would be very interested to hear your experience with authority sites if you would care to share.
     
    Patient, Nov 3, 2004 IP