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Worship God, anyway we all gonna die.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by elenojo, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. miakiru

    miakiru Well-Known Member

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    #41
    The only gateway I have to God is the Bible.
    The Bible = God

    The Bible is full of inconsistencies, which makes one of the "truths" a lie.
    (for example, that God created Man and Woman on the same day, but then a chapter later, Man is alone and wants a companion, so then God makes Woman who he already made?)

    (Or the fact that God made trees before Man, but then he made man... before trees...)

    (Or that Adam and Eve were supposed to die the day they ate the fruit from the tree of Knowledge, but Adam lived for 930 years?)

    (Or...)

    If The Bible = God and The Bible = Inconsistent, and these inconsistencies = Lies, then God = a Lie.
     
    miakiru, Feb 22, 2009 IP
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #42
    God is a lie, or should I say any particular religion's god. If your god is judgmental, jealous, angry or sends certain people to hell because "His" narcissistic needs aren't met by us "mere" mortals - your made up god is a lie.

    It's also a clever tool your buddy Satan has used with amazing success to divide humanity and keep each other at war. God doesn't need worshiped, "It" needs experienced.
     
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  3. mdvasanth86

    mdvasanth86 Notable Member

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    #43
    Hey! No. I don't believe in God.... I don't trust these things... I believe in atheism and i am 100% atheist.

    :eek::cool:Trust me! God promise! :rolleyes::D
     
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    Seqqa Well-Known Member

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    #44
    Religion is disproved just by the amount of religions in the first place, someone at some point created the first religion then someone started a second one, why would you reinvent the microwave?
     
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  5. TheBeliver

    TheBeliver Banned

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    #45
    makes zero sense, why not live life and belive what you want to belive?
     
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  6. miakiru

    miakiru Well-Known Member

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    #46
    While I can agree that the sheer amount of religions created is a testament to the falsehood of them, I would also argue that many of the stories of religion remain fairly consistent.In Christianity, Lucifer was jealous of God and wanted to rule, and was cast out. In Muslim, Iblis was jealous that God loved something made of dirt more than him, and was cast out. In ???, Lucifer feels that Man should have knowledge. His logic was that man is created in God's image, so they should be just as awesome as God right? And just for agreeing, Lucifer and other angels are cast out. See how the story varies, but is a basic concept of the same thing? I still say it's bullshit, but just because there are a lot of religions doesn't necessarily prove them to be false. They simple had a difference of opinion somewhere along the way, and took a far different turn. WALL OF TEXT CRITS YOU FOR 999 DAMAGE.

    tl;dr: lots of religions doesn't necessarily mean they're all wrong.

    Here's a list of inconsistencies, which aren't necessarily contradictions
    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html
     
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    Bushranger Notable Member

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    #47
    Anyone belonging to any organisation in the world can understand why there's so many religions. As soon as one of the heirarchy disagree with something they go off and start a similar one, but with their rules instead.
     
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    aam_aam Banned

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    #48
    Althouhg I believe in God, but this arguement is stoopid, and no wonder it got so much criticism. I believe in God because I can see all around myself that this place was created by someone way too superior to us.

    And to all of those saying 'If we're gonna die then why live a controlled life, why believe in God, let's enjoy blah blah blah...' having belief in God includes that there is going to be another life after death, so it doesn't get blank after we die, in fact that life will be way too long.

    And for instance, if there is no God and no afterlife...then every person gets the license to kill, rape, steal and hurt others as long as he can get away from the law, pretty much what animals do...Religion makes us Humans from Intelligent animals!
     
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  9. elenojo

    elenojo Peon

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    #49
    1. The Bible is not God, It is the Word of God.

    2. What you say are inconsistencies could be some of what you don't understand in the scriptures. Read again, and when you do, you can ask the
    Holy Spirit to help enlighten you and make you understand.

    3. "Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them" tells about man and woman being creations of God and not mere products of evolution. "Genesis 2:7 the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed
    into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being; Genesis 2:18 The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a
    helper suitable for him.' Genesis 2:22 Then the Lord God made a woman
    from the rib He had taken out of the man and He brought her to the man, and
    Genesis 2:23 The man said 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called "woman" for she was taken out of man" shows more
    specifics about how God created man first before woman. Chapter 1 tells
    about the creation while Chapter 2 datails the creation, they are one and the
    same activity of the Lord God, not inconsistent with each other.

    4. If indeed you find one inconsistent with another, that doesn't make a lie, just plain failure to understand one or the other. More reading and discernment of the Bible is suggested.
     
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    elenojo Peon

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    #50
    In the first place, this thread was never intended as an argument. No
    prior premise was ever laid down before me when I set out to make
    an invitation to worship my God. Now, if and because you believe otherwise
    thence you argue, you see that I respect your opinions, but just the same, my faith and devotion to my Creator and Saviour King remains, and
    I will always reiterate our openness to welcome to the fold of our God all
    those who desire salvation from eternal damnation. May the peace of the
    Lord God be upon all of us His Creation. Amen!
     
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  11. suman817

    suman817 Well-Known Member

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    #51
    What if we turn the table over!
    God is the truth and everything is a lie ;)
     
    suman817, Feb 23, 2009 IP
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    phpwnes Peon

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    #52
    god loves all people and is forgiving? if its so then i dont have to believe in him if i there really is a god and i am a good person i would still go to heaven as an atheist.
     
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    Realm Well-Known Member

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    #53
    eh...

    Your mom is a female.

    Why not marry her?
     
    Realm, Feb 23, 2009 IP
  14. suman817

    suman817 Well-Known Member

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    #54
    It’s not like that friend. Suppose you’re the owner of a big company. You’ve got an employee there who is a very good and honest person, he does his office work very well. But he denies you and doesn’t accept you as the chairman of the company or never listen to you. You’re a very kind person as well. What you’ll do in that case?
     
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    #55
    I'd give him a raise... because as a company owner i would put actions ahead of my own ego, If he does his job satisfactorily then i don't care what he thinks. Especially if i hid in a box and didn't actually give this guy any reason to believe i exist and accept me as the chairman.

    While I'm giving him a raise i would congratulate him on his logical and rational approach to life and even more on the fact that his integrity meant he was honest and trustworthy even though he didn't believe a superior was monitoring him.

    Why, are you saying i should burn him for eternity?
     
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    suman817 Well-Known Member

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    #56
    That’s great! Hope God will also give reward to all good people. And I didn’t say that you should burn him for eternity. You cannot do that but discharge an employee if you're not satisfy with work.

    God is not giving us so many options. You and me cannot add new God’s law. Please be informed, God gives us only 2 limited options.

    1. Heaven ~ for true believers that will lead their life as God ordered.
    2. Hell-fire ~ if any criteria missed.
     
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    miakiru Well-Known Member

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    #57
    Genesis 1:3-5 (King James Version)

    3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    vs.

    Genesis 1:14-19 (King James Version)

    14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

    19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

    ----

    Genesis 4:16 (King James Version)


    16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

    Jeremiah 23:23-24 (King James Version)


    vs.

    23Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?

    24Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

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    Genesis 6:6 (King James Version)

    6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

    Exodus 32:14 (King James Version)


    14And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

    1 Samuel 15:35 (King James Version)

    35And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

    vs.


    Numbers 23:19-20 (King James Version)

    19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    20Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

    1 Samuel 15:29 (King James Version)

    29And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

    James 1:17 (King James Version)

    17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

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    Genesis 11:7-9 (King James Version)

    7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

    8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

    9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

    vs.

    Proverbs 6:16-19 (King James Version)

    16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

    17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

    18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

    19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren





    etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
     
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    #58

    Hey! What are you doing here! :eek: ?????:D


    CHAPTER 23: WORSE :54

    Thou thy the god,:cool:

    Thou thy the lord. :cool:
     
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  19. miakiru

    miakiru Well-Known Member

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    #59
    I'll help you out.

    tl;dr: God makes light and separates it from dark on the 1st day, but then he does it again on the 4th.

    Cain hides from God, but it is impossible to not be seen by God.

    God feels bad about stuff, but God is unable to feel bad about stuff.

    God causes discord, but God hates people who cause discord.
     
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    #60
    Sounds like the book of Ecclesiastes, all is vanity and pride apart from God. I believe it, not everyone does though.

    Cheers!
     
    Lpe04, Feb 24, 2009 IP