Hi In msn I get a light colored margin frame all the way around, which is what I want. In Firefox the margins only show on the sides. If I had no margins at all I would think that I was completely out to lunch, but the sides do work. I've enclosed both my html and css. Does anyone have ideas? Thanks Suze <div id="allcontent"> <div id="centre"> <p class="c"> <a href="articles/contact.html">CONTACT </a> </p> <p class="a"> <a href="articles/about.html">ABOUT </a> </p> <p class="b"> <a href="index.html">HOME </a> </p> <p class="bold"> SJM Design <br> phone: 250.869.6763 <br> email: susan@sjmdesign.ca<br> </p> <p class="logo"> <img src="images/logo.gif" alt="Logo" /> </p> </div> </div> #allcontent { width: 800px; background-color: #e2e2e2; margin-top: 50px; margin-right: auto; margin-left: auto; } #centre { background-color: #c0c0c0; padding: 20px; margin: 20px; }