How can you not answer that question without a yes or a no? this is a yes or no question. I'm bored on this subject we just seem to be going round and round, plus I really need to get on and finish this essay. By the way thanks for the PM, LMAO
The PMs were funny No prob. I can use a break too. Spent way too much time here today. Have way too much work going on the past few weeks. See you for the next round of denial
Oh to that person who asked me why the Prophet gave women to divorce their husbands just on the basis of lack of sexual attraction while the Qur'an does not allow men to divorce their wives if they find someone else more pleasing to them. Yes, that is true! You can see how important both the Qur'an and the Prophet saw the treatment of women! Qur'an bans men to take women in marriage against their own will. Moreover, women are able to ask for divorce if they don't feel attracted to their husbands! That's because a man must be able to sexually pleasing to his wife. This is very important. Because a woman's actual presense in marriage is to be able to have intercourse with the men she married. Her duty is NOT to clean the house, her duty is NOT to bear children, her duty is NOT to cook, or even to take care of the children. All those duties are actually on the shoulders of the husband. What is asked from a wife is to be available to him when he wants to have sex with his wife. Of course, this can not include, forced sex. A man should be availabe to when she wants sex. That's why if a wife is not able to like her husband, she will not have sexual pleasure and she will refuse her husband when he aproaches. If this happens the marriage can be dissolved when the woman asks for a divorce. But same thing is not recommended for men, in fact Qur'an tells men not to leave their wives if they find another woman more pleasing to them. That could be for many reasons: economy, men's short sexual attantion span, social reasons... So, that is the explanation of that according to my knowledge. I think Islam gave so many rights to women that no one has yet achived to use all these rights. If they had done so, so many married Muslim women would have been the most wealthy women on earth. While a husband is seen as the earner of the house in Islam, a wife is seen as "the queen" of the house.
We call it bullshit where I come from. Like, when someone uses dishonesty to pose a question that is based on untrue information. I believe you would call it al taqiyya: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=178
what are you talking about? Are you telling me that I don't know my own religion and that I am trying to distort the true image of Islam -in your mind a terrible religion- with my long and explanatory messages?
In my culture the way you understand is expressed as "to understand a thing from its a.." which means. I am telling you something and what you understand in completely what I don't want you to think.
Read the first post in this thread and then tell me where else you saw those rights! All those are from the Qur'an. You just can not grasp it because your mind can not take it! It is too new for you.
I hadn't considered that direct approach, but yeah, run with that, it sounds good! In my culture, when someone's story smells like a.., we call it bullshit. May I offer you some more culture?
Sex with slave girls and captured women is halal(permitted) according to ayas 4.3, 4.24, 23.6, 33.52, and 70.30 and many hadiths . However using them as prostitutes is only allowed if she agrees to it. But if she desires chastity (and likes to restrict sex only with you), you cannot force her . Force is allowed only under compulsion (such as hunger) as the following aya indicates (same way as Allah had allowed muslims to use prostitutes with temporary nikah under compulsion): Qur’an 24:34 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here’s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.†Beating women? - this is Islam!!! Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.†Tabari VIII:62 Ishaq:496 “Ali [Muhammad’s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ‘Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.’†Qur’an 24:34 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here’s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.†Please note how pedophilia is promoted by Muslim leaders nowadays and not only in their books. Everybody remembers Khomeini, do you? Khomeini’s Teachings on sex with infants and animals Islamic Teachings on sex with infants: “A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.†The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in “Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom†Sex with animals “The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold.†“If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it.†“It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden.†“If a man (God protect him from it!) fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary.†Note: Who should make an ‘ablution†the man or the animal?
women have the right to 90 lashes if they are raped. They have the right to have their heads removed if they show too much skin. They have the right to be silenced by the sword. hmmm.... OK, kind of playing up some of the current news, but why is this allowed?
Gtech, I went to your site and found this in your "about us" section: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MISSION STATEMENT We recognize that we in America, as well as throughout the Free World, are in a life-and-death war with Islam, a pernicious philosophy masquerading as a benign religion. We refuse to accept death, destruction, or dhimmitude, all of which Islamists seek through their jihad. We fully accept that this is a war with Islam and will be won or lost as a WAR OF IDEAS. Our mission is to fight that war with correct ideas. Thus, we stand for reality, reason, individual rights and rational self-interest, and the only social-political system which comes from and supports these tenets: CAPITALISM. Our orientation is that of Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand, which is the only complete philosophy in existence supporting the supremacy of reality, reason as an absolute, rational individualism, and laissez faire capitalism. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is this? Can you tell me?
Where did you get these quotes from Tabari's which book? Tabari's books are not even translated, they are still in Arabic. There is only 1 book that is translated. Tell me the sources of your information. Moreover, there is so many so called "hadiths" out there. But they are not from the Prophet. I do not believe that the Prophet said that "women are plenty..." that is not something he would say. About the Khomeini's thoughts. I do not take him a scholar of Islam. He might well have been. I did not study him. But I can not take him as a scholar of Islam.
Sure, I'd be happy to enlighten you on it. You see, after you get xxx number of posts, it's quite popular for people to offer their signature space for sale. Now, when you get xxxx posts, people are really interested in your signature and you can make a few hundred dollars per month if people bid high enough. The best thing I can tell you is to continue working on your posts. Don't make all of them fictional, like you have so far. It's ok to post non-fictional content as well. In a month or two, go to the Link Sales forum and offer your signature space for sale. I bet you could sell all four slots like I have
Now about the verses on disobedience of a wife and the treat of the husband of the wife in this case is a long subject. But shortly, I have to say that there are several interpetation on -what counts a wives's disobedience -what the word "beat" mean The interpretations I like are those: (oh I just found that my smokes finished, I need to go and buy some. I will be back soon. I am serious.)
hahahaha, caught? You think nobody can translate? The wives of Prophet Mohammed The Prophet’s wives are listed in four categories: The women whom he married and stayed with till his death in 632. Women that he captured in wars the ones he slept with but never married or they did not want to marry him. His concubines Women he married and divorced after a short time. Women that may or may not have been married to him In the first category his wives were: Khadijeh, daughter of Khovilid, they married in the year 595 when she was 40 and he was 25 years old. They lived together for 24 years 10 years of it after Mohammed declared himself a messenger from Allah. It is ironic that during these ten years Allah never, told Mohammed to marry another woman. They had four daughters and adopted a son, named Zaid. She died in 619. Soodeh, Daughter of Hamzeh, they married in the year 620 when she was 30 years old and he was 50. This was second marriage for both of them. They both had lost their spause. Ayesh, a six year old child that Allah offered Mohammed in 623 when he was 53 years old. She was his favorite and he died in her arms in 632. Hafzeh, daughter of Omar Ibn Khatab. He married her in 625. She was 18 years old and had lost her husband in the battle of Badr. Omeh Salmeh, Daughter of Almeghireh, they married in 626 when she was 29 years old. Her husband had died in the battle of Ohod. Zeinab, daughter of Khazimeh, he married her in 626 when she was 30 and had lost her first and second husbands in the war of Badr. She died a few months later. Jorieh, daughter of Hares, He married her in 627 and freed her tribe. She was a 20-year old war booty. She was so beautiful that who ever laid an eye on her fall in love with her. Zeinab, daughter of Jahesh, she was his cousin and married to Zeid the Prophet’s adopted son. Mohammed fell in love with this woman and asked Zeid to divorce her and he married her in the year 628. She was 38 years old. Koran 33-37 gives the prophet the right to marry his adopted son’s wife. “When Zaid had accomplished his want of her, we gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah’s command shall be performed.†What a nice Allah, whenever this man desires a woman Allah just says OK you can have it. Ramleh, Daughter of Abu Sofyan, known as Omeh Habibe, they married in the year 628. She was 38-year-old widow and her husband had left Islam. Safieh, daughter of Hay Ben Khatab was from a Bani Nazir a Jewish tribe. Her husband died in 628 in the battle of Kheibar. Safieh’s husband had refused to tell Mohammed where he had hidden his wealth and was killed under torture. The same night Mohammed took Safieh, the 17-year old beauty to his bed. Later he married her. Meimooneh, daughter of Haress. Mohammed married her in 628 and she was 27 years old. Mohammed’s concubines Marieh, daughter of Shamoon. A black beauty given as a gift to the Prophet by the king of Egypt. Rayhaneh, daughter taken as a war booty. Mohammed took her to bed after he ordered the killing of her husband in the year 627. She did not agree to be his wife and stayed in his Haram as slave until her death in 632. Women Mohammed married and divorced quickly. Asma daughter of Neman Ghotileh, Daughter of Ghaice Malaeke Daughter of kaab Bent Jandeb daughter of Damareh Fatima, Daughter of Sahaak Omreh, daughter of Yazid Alyeh, daughter of Zobyan Saba, daughter of Sofyan Nesha daughter of Rafieh Ghazieh, daughter of jaber Fatima, daughter of shoreh Sanaa daughter of Salim Alshanba, daughter of Omar Kholeh, daughter of Alhavhil Shargh daughter of Khalifeh Kolleh daughter of Hakim In addition there are 7 more women that may or may not have married Mohammed. Habibeh daughter of Sahl Laili daughter of Khatem Omeh Hani daughter of Abi Taleb Dobeh, daughter of Amir Safieh daughter of Beshameh Emareh or Emameh daughter of Hafzeh Omeh Habib daughter of Alabas