God told this woman that she's going to be okay and alive, she claim that god spoke to her,..is god a liar? because she died after leaving the hospital. The truth is, there is no god and no one or a thing spoke to her about being okay other than a doctor/relative maybe. If god really loves her, would had she been shot in the first place? People are quick to give credit to the man in the sky when they believe they are blessed, but what happens when the opposite comes? And why would you be bless by god, because you pray? because you are a Christian or a Muslim? or something else? It's all in the mind folks, god resides in the minds of the weak and we have billions of weak people in this world that actually believe this and thousands of other things that comes into minds. I, for one, don't give-a-shit to what any one believes in, but I do care when they express those beliefs out loud. If you believe in god(s), please keep to yourself, it is a personal thing between you and your mind. Don't go nuts because someone believes different than you, don't kill for this god(s)
Would the opposite to your theory work too? If you DON'T believe in a God then please keep it to yourself. Nah, that's as silly as your point when you consider where we are.
You're not really if you think about it a bit more... you argue all the time that atheists should keep their views to themself. Whereas my point says we're ALL here to discuss religion, INCLUDING the atheists (who I think make a very important contribution here). This is P&R where everyone should be able to discuss their political or (non) religious beliefs. After that explanation, if you're agreeing that atheists have as much right to this place as you do...then I better switch tack... geez, I gotta have someone to pick on..
Understanding the simple religion would help. Freedom of religion hopefully includes Atheism as shutting you down by the Supreme Court would probably be an easier task by your opponents than your suggestion for them.
Nope I argue that everyone should stop trying to shove their religion in another's person mind and let people choose (you know that crazy notion of freedom of religion) . Religious propaganda is in my view the most despicable crime possible .
You're a believer. In theory you know how fantastic it is once you reconcile with a God. Surely you can understand the zeal lol. Whether it's MY God, Your God, Whoever's God... it's almost impossible not to tell others about it. If it made you that happy then how happy might it make your friends? For that reason I don't have a problem with religious "propaganda" in the slightest because I trust in myself to make the right decision - but the EXTREME religious crap, where they expect everyone to live their "purist, you must live like this" lifestyle, well that's another story. If it only plays the part of informing an opinion leaving you to decide your own fate, then bring it on anytime.
if this non-snake oil being peddle is something, like it has proven as so far, then it is not snake oil being sold. the non-snake oil should sell itself, right?
Many of you don't understand that atheism is not a belief even though some think "It is the rejection in the belief of any sort of deity" which some might think that in itself is a religion. We were all born Atheist from birth 'till we make a choice in life, for most people, that choice is shoved upon them, atheism simply stays with you from day one because they never made a choice of choosing a religion. Think of this simple analogy as if money is a religion: if I do not have money in my pocket and I'm pretty sure that my pockets are empty, would you make me believe that I have money in my pocket even though I'm 100% sure that I do not have money in my pocket? That is how I look at it, it's the simplest form of truthfulness, the evidence is clear, I see that money isn't there and I do not feel money and if I tried smelling for money, I do not smell money. You see, I clearly know that I do not have any money in my pocket, therefore I cannot reject anything that isn't there. Make sense so far? [probably not]. Religion is something you believe blindly even though the existence is not there, you believe that. So, if god was money and you don't have money in your pocket but you still believe that it's there, then there's something wrong with you. Think of me as a Truest: In accordance with fact or reality.
I think most do understand and probably even agree with what you're saying. The difference is the believers have seen stuff that they attribute to their God, so in your analogy they've watched Him put money in your pocket so of course they "believe" it should be there when you look.
So what you're actually saying about the believers is that they are mentally fuck? I will have to agree with you on that note. People of religion should be in a minority, in fact if you actually think about it, roughly 98% of them are, most that claim to be Christians/Muslim/Jews aren't really that, they just accept the memberships. The 2% are very devetoted to their beliefs which I can accept. The hypocrisy I cannot.
Well not quite, though we must all agree SOME certainly are. I'd think it would only be mentally fucked if they proved it wasn't there yet still believed it was. Here's a scenario I'm thinking: You put $10 in your pocket, you know it's there but you don't want $10 really, you want a new lamp. You "believe" you can turn that $10 note into a new lamp. So I'm thinking of starting a new business. Now because I have faith in a God I ask God to help me work on a new business. So now that I have decided I wanted to do something He gives me the idea I should start a lamp shop (because he knows there's a demand) and pretty soon I'm open for business ready to sell you your lamp. It turns out many people need lamps and business is very successful. Was it me or God? Let's say I put it down to God's help. Then, a family member comes down with a serious illness, you already know your God can help so you pray and pray and pray and the family member gets better. Was that God or would they have got healthy without the prayers. As a godly person, let's put that one down to God too. So now, after just two events you're starting to believe there's more to this than meets the eye and you start digging further...you start wondering, how is this happening? You find there's so much more to who we are that we don't know. I can think about a coffee and within minutes have someone put the kettle on without saying a word. Try it out for yourself. If you're a cuppa drinker then think about putting the kettle on and picture yourself putting it on, then forget about it, come back here and start typing or whatever. If you don't do it someone close will pick up the vibe and your cuppa will arrive (i'm thinking of my partner who often gets caught on that one lol). How many times have you thought 'how the fuck did they know what I was thinkin?'?...well that's for another lesson. When things happen over and over you end up putting two and two together for yourself. You'll work out your version of God and then spend your life trying to work out how to take advantage of that lol.
Nothing could be further from the truth, except what is more hollow than Atheism the belief in Organized Religion. What child have you ever meant that is not in search for the true understanding for their life.
And you equate that with believing in god? it's that kind of "logic" that got you believing in bollocks in the first place. We all want to understand, it's just some of us what to know the truth, whatever it is, and others are satisfied with bronze age mythology.
True Breeze, I completely agree. (Assuming you meant "what child you ever 'met'..) But, How many children do you think will become theists if people stop feeding them with religious propaganda from the age of 3? I went to a school where there was no religious crap going on. Instead of morning prayer, praising an invisible skyman and begging for his blessings and mercy, we were told to be a better human. We were not taught how great a god is, but we were taught about Jesus, Buddha, Mahavira etc alike. And the time we reached high school, most of us realized that religion is nothing but an organized lie. We searched for true understanding for our lives, and we found it. And the truth made us atheists. Because we were taught to be an independent thinker. We weren't fed some religious crap. I'd say if not all, then 99% of theists are theists because their parents are theists.
...and we found it. That is a Tall order - you can explain everything, have purified all thoughts, see only what is real....can you separate yourself from your physiological form and tell us the code used for your existence, how it was administered and what changes are made for the next being? The universe is Everlasting - this is not a possible goal for yourself? It is impossible there already is a Predecessor? May the Atheist succeed in all ways against organized religion and their awful scriptures but in reality that should only be a new beginning to the as yet unanswered question for the meaning of ones life and its Fulfillment and the possibilities that do exist outside the physiological form - The Outerworld of the Everlasting.