WMD'S: none were found : Iraq war fought over a lie, thats a fact!!!

No evidence. They also said that saddam was building a nuke. No evidence again. This is all flimsy evidence. Where was our attack on iraq when they were gassing the kurds and why wasnt our government screaming for war then. Its very simple. Oil . Iraq was growing into a world power and at the rate it was growing it woul dhave achieved this in 20 years. We now have total control of defense contracts in iraq, but we also have control over what kind of government we want there and iraq will be dependent on us for the forseeable future. If this were about wmd's and saddam hussein we would have attacked in the 180's when he was gassing the kurds.

All i see here is first. Gtech says we have found wmd's, then when that been debunked(no pun intended) we start playingwith words by saying his intelligence was sketchy. He said irrefutable evidence of wmd's, but i give bush credit for one thing unlike u neocons. Bush addmited he was wrong about the wmd's. There was absolutely no evidence of anything at all resembling wmd's in any way, and if the world had known this we never would have allowed our military industrial complex to wage war. How many hundreds of thousands of iraqis died for our lie? how many american soldiers? Spare me the same bs about wmd capabilities. saddam was much more of a threat in the 1980's then he ever was in the 2000's.

 

Wrong

 

Geez you people are moving this thread too fast, i dont have time to keep up. I just wanted to say this, then im going to let it go. The starter of this thread says we were lied to, yet has no proof to back up anything. To lie is to intentionally deceive. There has been no proof that we were intentionally deceived. Sure there were no weapons found, that doesnt mean they lied. It is possible that they lied, but to say it is a fact that they lied is false. It is just as possible that it was a terrible mistake.

To start a thread saying it is fact, that we were lied to, is a lie. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

 

Ok I was not even going to get into this as it's obvious those who think Bush did not lie will not no matter what happened. They will keep saying 'but, but the CIA' all the time ignoring the fact that much has come out about the Bush administration cherry picking evidence to support war, they will also bring up 'but, but the others who voted for war' forgetting that it was to give the president teeth to make Saddam comply, Bush had promised at last resort, Saddam bent over took it in the axx and Bush decided to attack anyways.

Ohwell fuck it, these people will never admit to it and now I see how they get their info.

Look at Soniq's post to prove Bush isn't even in the top 10 worst president list.

Now look what is in this very article right at the top.

Sure looks like they are not even putting him in the running as it's too soon, definitely not that he's not in the top 10 of this one articles averaging of polls. I wonder how many average Americans even know who or what presdients did before they were of age to vote?

Wow P&R trully has gone into the shitter.

 

It has been hashed out as to where the lie was for years. The 'intel' was cherry picked, information that was known to be false was still used for the 'intel' to go to war.

Aluminum Tubes.
Yellow Cake
Unmanned Arial Vehicles being shipped into the US

Just a few items to look up..

 

Nice catch, your absolutely right.

Now the question is, did he post the stats here on purpose, knowing that the current pres, was not included, or was it a simple mistake.

Grim, please prove that it was known, and i will call it a fact myself, until then claims can be made, but you cant call it fact, when it isnt.

 

Kind of hard to buy as it says it right at the top of the article.

Anyone who followed the build up would know the experts were telling us all along the Aluminum Tubes were not for nuclear weapons production, the yellow cake was based on a bogus report, do you even remember the 'unmanned' arial vehicle charge laid out being shipped into the US?

Do some research, if you honestly want to know the truth it should not be that hard.

I have posted article after article on this very subject over the years and found out no matter what, those who wish to believe Bush did not lie will continue to do so.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=342512&highlight=aluminum#post342512

One previous post to read.

 

Grim you have to be reasonable here. If a mans dna is found on a weapon that was used in a murder, is it a fact, that he is the murderer?

No, it may be enough evidence, to convict him, but it isnt fact. Fact is something we know.

A fact is solid and unquestionable, the evidence in this thread is highly questionable.

I dont know (for fact)if bush lied or not, it is not a fact. It is a judgement

 

Sigh.

There have been X cia coming out and saying they were asked to cherry pick, Bush also chose only to use daming evidence, never talking about how experts dismissed said evidence.

To come up with any other conclusion is simply illogical, talk about being 'reasonable' you honestly think the president of the US asking for evidence to attack a country, using cherry picked evidence, evidence that during the war build up experts from around the world said was bogus is not lying?

To say as much would equate to Bush being a puppet and not knowing anything, which is it?

 

Talk about a thick skull.
Im done, you people do not know the difference between fact and judgment. The accusation being made in this thread is a judgment, not a fact. Fact is solid, and requires immediate proof, that is not available in this situation. Perhaps in the future it will become fact, but as of right now, it isnt.

 

Excuse me? Coming from the likes of you, the one who can not see when someone outright lies. Do you honestly think the president is going to say 'yeah I lied'

You are one of those people who will never see it as a lie as you do not want to.

Facts have been listed, you however fail to see them.

Proof? X Cia agents are not proof, experts of the time are not proof? Really now, that's interesting how you determine what is proof.

Yet the 'WMD' Iraq was supposed to have was 'proof' at the time. Talk about a thick skull.

 

I see ping is exercising his right to habitually lie again! This dishonesty has been proven over and over again. *some* wmd were found. Saddam did have a nuclear program. Two years ago, the DOD accidentally let some of saddam's nuclear information onto a web site. The NYT did a story on it, blaming America first. What they didn't get, was they were actually helping prove how dangerous he was.

We all know you miss your bud saddam. I have no idea why you are so dishonest. I can only presume it has something to do with a deep seeded hatred for the country you currently reside in.

That's not going to happen. Grim ususally goes with whatever is popular. Hence, why he is a ron paul supporter.

 

Why wouldn't the Bush Adminstration "lie" about the WMD, I mean they were so gung ho about an invasion which was likely done to benefit the corporations like Halliburton and others that are profiting from the "war". This is my opinion, I definitely support the troops but at this point I think they have been forgotten about by the american public and the media primarily.

 

I see the troll is back yet again.

Gtech stop the 'popular' crap it's simply annoying and shows what a lying troll you are.

YOU were on the so called 'popular' side long before I was, remember back in the days of most people on here supporting the war?

I do not go with the popular side, you know it as well, until you are 'reasonable' to see that you are a fucking joke and nothing more.

The type of joke I'd love to beat the ever living shit out of. Gtech you are a fucking disgrace. Report me, I have had it with your lying bullshit!

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I support RP as I support the constitution, as fucking simple as that. Get it through your thick fucking skull!

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Speaking of 'popular side' what is this I hear about you jumping ship from Huck to a more 'popular side'?
If I wanted 'popular side' I'd be supporting McCain or someone polling well nationally as you always like to bring up. Talk about having it 'both ways'

 

You see you got it all wrong, im not arguing if he lied or not, im arguing that its not a fact. I will admit, it looks like he did lie, There is evidence to suggest he lied, but it still doesn't equate fact. The possibility that the x amount of cia could be lying, still exist, though i admit its not likely, it is possible.

The only thing to make this fact and not judgment, is a confession, or audio evidence of him admitting it.

Then you will have FACT.

 

Which you know will never happen, connecting the dots is also a sure fire way to see 'facts'

 

If a possibility exist that would suggest a statement to be wrong, than it can not be labeled as FACT. These possibilities exist.

 

GRIM you are not the only that feels this way bro, as I've said before Gquack does what he does consciously knowing full well that he is lying but does the shit he does cause it is the ONLY way he will get any sort of attention, he is the male version of Anne Coultier, but worse. He would sell his soul to the devil for attention if he could. Just ignore him, that's the recipe that would take care of him.

 

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Time for a refresher course of the "hate America" crowd who believe blind hatred justifies perpetual dishonesty.

U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer

 

No links to al qaida? That's what the ron paul trolls would have you believe. So full of hatred for Bush and America, they'll deny anything. Oh, to be so "popular!"

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

OMG! Not facts!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/152lndzv.asp?pg=2

Yet more that is so overwhelming, it cannot be ignored:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49297

Court rules link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in552868.shtml

A body of evidence:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...5/780plthl.asp

Yet tons more:
http://www.spiritoftruth.org/iraqlinks.htm
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=38685

Case Closed:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/378fmxyz.asp