Will U.S. Fights Iran?

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Will U.S. Fights Iran?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Mr Crow

    Mr Crow Peon

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    #121
    Well Rudy .... Maybe ........ NO WAY Rice ...

    I am prepared to really promote Hillary Clinton on my sites when she runs ..>>>> Crow Ducks Out of the Line of fire<<<<<

    I think a woman would be good for the USA ... they are more logical

    But then I am a real fan of Maggie Thatcher and Gro Harlam Brundtland the ex- PM of Norway ... two very fine leaders
     
    Mr Crow, Apr 25, 2006 IP
  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #122
    Actually it has.

    What WMD's? I thought he lied about that...

    By who? Are you saying that people hate the US now because of BUSH? The same people that hated America before Bush, still hate America. Nothing has changed.

    The US, as well as the whole world has pretty much always been in some kind of debt. The US borrows, the US lends? Again, nothing has changed. Try again there shooter..

    And they rose under Clinton. Your point? You are too young to remember the 80's under Reagan/Bush when I could fill my Mustang up for 8 bucks and drive all week. Of course you are even still too young to remember when there were lines, a real shortage of fuel, and gas was the more than it is now (adjusted for inflation) in the 70's.

    Be sure to look at the bigger picture instead of letting emotions run wild.


    Really? How so? You do realize that Halliburton, in many cases is the only company that does what Halliburton does. So who on earth was going to bid against them? The tooth fairy? Do a little research.

    Oh, here we go with approval rating polls again... Life in the middle class has never been better. Again, you are too young to realize that. Many of us hear have experienced real suffering, lost it all and had to start again. Things are pretty damn good at the moment. The "rich" with tax cuts that you refer to pay for about 95% of the taxes in this country young man. You should be thankful to them.

    I don't know too many Iraqi's that are throwing their arms up and rejoicing at cheap gas. There are more important things many of them would like. Personally, I would rather live in a free society without fear of terrorism, and war and pay 3/gal for gas. When you are old enough to pay for your own gas, get back to us on that one.
     
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  3. gommer683

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    #123
    I guess it all depends on how many congressmen have money invested in oil companies.
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #124
    Why? She is certainly the most qualified human being on the planet. A master of foreign policy, a great speaker, and a true master of diplomacy.

    No experience, has yet to complete a job, and way too much emotional baggage.

    I was not thinking man/women. I based my decision purely on a proven track record, experience, and intelligence.

    If you like Thatcher, than Rice is the person you want, not Hillary.
     
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  5. Mr Crow

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    #125
    I strongly disagree , my wife is from Norway and we are very much in tune with the European opinion of even countries that had a high opinion of the USA.

    Norway is very much so against the Bush adminastrations actions and the people of Norway see Bush as a big bully and liar ... everyday we read the news from Norway.. they see this as another Vietnam
     
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  6. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #126
    Emphasis on "so called".... for those of you who actually think there were WMD.... bush failed to stop the spread of them into terrorist hands.


    Actually a large part of the world, that didn't have a problem with us, now does. Sorry to tell you this, but Bush is even more unpopular outside of the US than inside (i know that's tough to beat!).

    Try telling that to the middle class. The ones who are $80,000 in debt, don't own a damn thing, and are now going hungry because all their money is in their gas tanks. The ones who spend 3.5 hours per day in rush hour traffic struggling to get by.

    You keep pretending like everything is peachy in America. But it's quite obvious America isn't happy with Bush. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Mr Crow

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    #127
    Actually the lower end of the middle class has never been so strained as they are now .. not for a long time back - sure people are making it , but look americans are taking less and less vacations, working more hours and even taking more than one job to get by.

    One way to judge this is to contact a few family shelters in the area and a few food pantries .. they havent had such a need in many years for families.....

    Families are being hit hard -
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #128
    Globalization hits the lower classes, because it's the low-skilled jobs that are being shipped off to parts unknown.

    The cure is to reform the U.S. tax system from one that penalized working to one that penalizes spending, but that's politically unviable.
     
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  9. Rick_Michael

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    #129
    Situation...

    Israel bombed Iraq when it was trying to make a nuke. Israel will bomb Iran if it really thinks it has a nuke.

    I'm hoping this doesn't happen, but given the history of sequences, I'm sure it will. If it does, I'm hoping it's atleast three years down the road. Then we won't have as much invested into Iraq, and the events won't be as harsh on the oil industry as Iraq will be producing quite a big of oil if it's stable.

    So I don't like the idea. I would rather Iran just stuck with the agreement they've joined.
     
    Rick_Michael, Apr 26, 2006 IP
  10. Mia

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    #130
    But I thought he lied?

    I remember my trip to Europe in the 80's. The French could not stand us, UK, they liked us.. Italians? (well being one, I guess they went easy on me)... The sentiment was pretty much the same throughout Europe around 81'. I went again in the 90's and noticed pretty much the same distaste (with the exception of the UK). This would have been around 91.. Did it again in 95 and found that when I asked people about "us", the US, ie., Americans, they pretty much said that they laughed at us, like to mock us. Prior to that, they were quite content just to not like us, or having their nose held high. It was the Clinton regime that made them laugh at us. They though of us less as "arrogant, stupid Americans", and more like "fools".

    I spent a good deal of time in Europe doing some schooling in the early/mid nineties... Like I said prior... Nothing has changed.
    Ah, $80k? that's nothing. Buy a house. Take a look at where the middle classes debt is. Home, credit cards, cars, etc... No one in the middle class is going hungry in the US. If they are, they are not in the middle class. I think you are confused again.

    Anyone spending 3.5 hours per day in rush hour is an idiot IMO. With today's technology, there is no reason to be commuting that long. If they are spending all their money on gas, they should pick up a map at one of those gas stations they frequent, and MOVE CLOSER TO WORK! Or get a different job entirely.

    When you move out and have a place of your own and actually pay electric bills, gas bills, insurance, a mortgage, etc., you will see pretty quickly that $80k in debt is nothing.. Certainly not poverty.

    I'm in the middle class that was nearly destroyed by Clinton. Things are a hell of a lot better now than they were, that is a reality that is impossible to deny unless you A, have been living under a rock for the last 15 years, or B, are completely ignorant.

    If America was not happy with Bush, America would not have elected him, TWICE... Anyway, I have yet to see an American happy with anything. Americans are never content. That is part of our nature, to always keep reaching higher. If we were all content, nothing would ever get done, and no one would ever move forward.

    The negativity and backwards thinking you keep displaying are really counter productive lately.
     
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  11. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #131
    Once again, you're out of touch with reality, and what's going on in America. Get ready to go to school again! ;)

    People can't live closer because they can't afford the cost of living. They can't get different jobs, because there are none ;)

     
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    #132
    actually, its called urban sprawl yo-yo. People are leaving the cities cuz they suck. has nothing to do with lack of jobs or cost of living. when i bought a house, it was a choice of a 1000 ft rat trap that should have been condemned in st pete for $200,000. or a 2000 foot new house on a 15,000 ft lot for $225,000. Yeah that was a tough choice.
     
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  13. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #133
    Tell that to someone who wants to live in LA or Manhattan. You'll provide them with a good laugh for the day. :D
     
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    #134
    I disagree.

    I prefer a flat-tax system or what we had previous to the 16th amendment. The second ideal, the first more practical and than consumption or progressive.

    Spending both federally and socially are out of control due to the dynamics of central banking.
     
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    #135
    What's sad is; that you made my point and you don't even realize it :rolleyes:
     
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    #136
    It'll never happen, though. The power to tax is the power to control. Politicians will never get it up. And since republicans have seemed to join the bandwagon that says "more spending = more votes" spending will never end either.
     
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    #137

    I tend to believe what Thomas Jefferson said was appropriate...that the mentality of big cities are incompatible with our Republic ie it take a certain level of room and independence to realize liberty.
     
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    #138
    Medicare will die within the next 20 years. It's impossible to keep up. Some things will die on their own accord. People will at one point realize they have to eventually pay for these service, whether they want to or not.
     
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  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #139
    Yes there are... Talk about out of touch with reality.

    Why are you always so quick to show the negative in everything? More people are working in the US than at any other time in our history. More people own homes, specifically more minorities own homes in the US than at any other time. Things have been pretty good consider the US was attacked nearly 5 short years ago, the US has been ravaged by Hurricane, after hurricane, tornados, and other destructive forces.

    Try looking at the positive in things once an a while. The world is not coming to an end.
     
    Mia, Apr 26, 2006 IP
  20. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #140
    That reminds me of when Bill Maher was talking about Bush. Bush was upset that nobody was reporting the "good news" in Iraq.

    Bill Maher: "Now this is a true story - 4 people were killed in a suicide attack today in a bakery. [pauses] I know, I know thats terrible. What the media forgot to mention was that the bakery had the best banana bread in town!" :D
     
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