Will Turkey recognize Armenian Gonocide ?

Agreed, same with Armenia.

About the Kurds; they were provoked by Brits in WW and now by your fellas, always some people are provoked upon us, attack us, and once they see they are defeated on the field, they start the war on the table. Even today Kurdish terrorist group gets all the support from Armenia, and when we use our right of self defence, we suddenly become genociders, barbaric people, and they become the poor victims. We didn't start any of these messes, we only ended them. Noone looks into these from other side of the mirror, maybe because we are Muslims so default faulty regardless from what happened.

We are not hostile towards Armenia or Armenians, i've mentioned earlier that i even have a close Armenian friend here. If they stop dreaming about seperating lands or money this way and leave miracles to Santa Claus, we were and will always be friendly to those whoever has good intentions, you'd not be so friendly to those who wants piece from your country anyway. It's not us to get over old stuff.

 

At some point, the United States will split up. I hope that we let the regions which want to leave secede peacefully.

I vote that we eject California.

I hope that, some day, the Kurds get to live in safety in some country.

 

The history of Armenia is ancient and stretches back to prehistoric times.
Read man read. common, whatever you have learned in school is what you know now and you don't wanna really study your country's hustory and then the history of your neighbors, here is a hint for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Armenia

One fake site without facts towards millions of site which are full of proves? You should visit the Genocide memorial or go to www.theforgotten.com or let's say www.genocide.am read, listed and watch

You can't tell what Armenians would do if USA was attacked by Russia or some other country, you can NEVER think and act like an Armenian

Conserning Hrant Dink - he was a victim, a victim of the genocide that continued for about a century

 

Just so you know, that site is not created by a Turk. Why would he create such a site if he isn't a Turk? Dropping masks of Armenian liars might be the reason.

 

Of course, you are great, biggest whiners of human history.,

Sure i can't. I am not a backstabber, it's pretty hard to figure how you think, you call being puppets of others as "strategy", betraying where you live and killing your neighbours as "war", being defeated as "genocide", so i can't really understand your way of thinking. And sure those people in US would attack their homeland in a heart beat if they were promised any land, you proved you are capable of betraying where you live so there's no reason why you wouldn't do it again(except that you were taught it has consequences, but you don't seem to learn from the history so you can do it as long as you don't learn defeat is a part of taking the risk of being defeated when you attack others) that's what you are, puppets of others, history occurs from time to time.

You can always go ask France and Russia for a piece of land though since they love you so much, and it's your right since they made you puppets and dragged you into a betrayal which you could never succeed, so besides your misery about being backstabbers, for their part; you can ask for a compensation for the poorly served manipulation towards your people in the times you mention.

Also you prove you know no jack about Hrant Dink and once again you abuse deaths to serve your wicked plans, you don't even have respect for dead people of your own, you "use" them.

Now stop the crappy offensive posts and get a life, you can't live on a lie and dream forever.

 

I am not offending anyone in this forum I am trying to teach you THE TRUTH. Live your life and we'll see, when your government accepts it then you'll start telling that THE GENOCIDE took place.

concerning that one website that not a turk made it, go and look for other sites and Armenians didn't make but that sites are about THE GENOCIDE

 

And who made them? English, French, Greek?

 

Does the country matter if a person accepts the truth?

 

I already know the truth very well. This lie is what brings you all together and you have no other political arguement. I advice you to pick an enemy of your size if you have no real arguement, because you constently provoking people and if you are reacted for that don't expect those who couldn't save you before, come and save you now.

Be wise and stop provoking people, at the end, it'll be you to suffer from it. Whenever you be friendly towards us, you'll see lot more friendship than those who abuse you for EU or other political shit. At the end, they'll always leave you alone once their plans require another sort of strategy.

 

no accusing here. and size doesn't matter

there is one thing that the whole world accepts and only the country whose previous government / Ottoman Empire / Turkey - commited it does not accept the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE of 1915

 

The only way this is ever going to end is when the Turks stop denying the truth.

Once the Turks accept the truth and move on, this will be old news.

No one bothers the Germans about the Jewish Genocide anymore, because the Germans said "Sorry, my bad" and moved on.

The Turks could learn a lot from the German experience.

So you're sorry and move on.

 

I don't think Israel was too comfortable when German peacekeepers came in after the Lebanon conflict not too long ago.

 

Why would we deny it for so long if we did it? Why would we accept something that we never did?

 

Oh please:

1. The evidence is stacked against you. No reasonable person could deny the evidence. All denials are based solely upon a nationalistic fervor.

2. You weren't there. You do not personally hold any guilt for what happened there. Don't take this personally.

3. Every person who was guilty is now dead. There is no need to continue this charade.

Here is a letter from the International Association of Genocide Scholars to prime Minister Erdogan which summarizes the whole mess:

INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS


President
Israel Charny (Israel)

First Vice-President
Gregory H. Stanton (USA)

Second Vice-President
Linda Melvern (UK)

Secretary-Treasurer
Steven Jacobs (USA)



[FONT=&quot]June 13, 2005[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]TC Easbakanlik[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bakanlikir[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ankara, Turkey [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]FAX: 90 312 417 0476[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Dear Prime Minister Erdogan:[/FONT]

We are writing you this open letter in response to your call for an “impartial study by historians” concerning the fate of the Armenian people in the Ottoman Empire during World War I.

We represent the major body of scholars who study genocide in North America and Europe. We are concerned that in calling for an impartial study of the Armenian Genocide you may not be fully aware of the extent of the scholarly and intellectual record on the Armenian Genocide and how this event conforms to the definition of the United Nations Genocide Convention. We want to underscore that it is not just Armenians who are affirming the Armenian Genocide but it is the overwhelming opinion of scholars who study genocide: hundreds of independent scholars, who have no affiliations with governments, and whose work spans many countries and nationalities and the course of decades. The scholarly evidence reveals the following:

[FONT=&quot] On April 24, 1915, under cover of World War I, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens – an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. The rest of the Armenian population fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] The Armenian Genocide was the most well-known human rights issue of its time and was reported regularly in newspapers across the United States and Europe. The Armenian Genocide is abundantly documented by thousands of official records of the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]United States[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and nations around the world including [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Turkey[/FONT][FONT=&quot]’s wartime allies [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Germany[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Austria[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hungary[/FONT][FONT=&quot], by[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Ottoman court-martial records, by eyewitness accounts of missionaries and diplomats, by the testimony of survivors, and by decades of historical scholarship.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] The Armenian Genocide is corroborated by the international scholarly, legal, and human rights community: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 1) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2) The killings of the Armenians is genocide as defined by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3) In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars, an organization of the world’s foremost experts on genocide, unanimously passed a formal resolution affirming the Armenian Genocide. [/FONT]
4) 126 leading scholars of the Holocaust including Elie Wiesel and Yehuda Bauer placed a statement in the New York Times in June 2000 declaring the “incontestable fact of the Armenian Genocide” and urging western democracies to acknowledge it.
[FONT=&quot] 5) The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot]), and the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have affirmed the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6) Leading texts in the international law of genocide such as William A. Schabas’s Genocide in International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2000) cite the Armenian Genocide as a precursor to the Holocaust and as a precedent for the law on crimes against humanity. [/FONT]

We note that there may be differing interpretations of genocide—how and why the Armenian Genocide happened, but to deny its factual and moral reality as genocide is not to engage in scholarship but in propaganda and efforts to absolve the perpetrator, blame the victims, and erase the ethical meaning of this history.

[FONT=&quot] We would also note that scholars who advise your government and who are affiliated in other ways with your state-controlled institutions are not impartial. Such so-called “scholars” work to serve the agenda of historical and moral obfuscation when they advise you and the Turkish Parliament on how to deny the Armenian Genocide. In preventing a conference on the Armenian Genocide from taking place at [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bogacizi[/FONT][FONT=&quot]University[/FONT][FONT=&quot] in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Istanbul[/FONT][FONT=&quot] on May 25, your government revealed its aversion to academic and intellectual freedom—a fundamental condition of democratic society. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We believe that it is clearly in the interest of the Turkish people and their future as a proud and equal participants in international, democratic discourse to acknowledge the responsibility of a previous government for the genocide of the Armenian people, just as the German government and people have done in the case of the Holocaust.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Approved Unanimously at the Sixth biennial meeting of [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS (IAGS)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]June 7, 2005, Boca Raton, Florida[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Contacts: Israel Charny, IAGS President; Executive Director, Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide, Jerusalem, Editor-in-Chief, Encyclopedia of Genocide, 972-2-672-0424; [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gregory H. Stanton, IAGS Vice President; President, Genocide Watch, James Farmer Visiting Professor of Human Rights, University of Mary Washington; 703-448-0222; [/FONT]

 

And look at the prideful commission. USA, UK and Israel

 

Those are just the current officers of the association. The association consists of members from all across the globe.

I would say that you would not accept evidence -- no matter how compelling -- from anyone who is not Turkish. I do not believe that to be exactly correct -- I believe that you will not accept any evidence at all which contradicts your chosen beliefs, no matter the source.

 

If only muslims would take their same advice towards Israel, as they preach towards others about Armenia. One accuses Armenia of being "the world's biggest whiners," while the same person and group he belongs to are "the world's biggest whiners" about Israel.

The hypocrisy displayed in this thread stands out like a fat chick at a nude beach.

 

I love that graphic showing how the Jews are occupying Muslim land...

 

While same person and group?

We are not Arabs, we are the Turks who do not have such issues with Israel. I or we do not claim anything like Israel is occupying anywhere or should leave, actually we are the only Muslim country who has real co-operations with Israel. Unlike you, we are not talking about a religionic issue here, if that's why you take the "other" side on a religionus basis, i'd say extremism totaly blinded you, on the other hand it's totally a racist and discriminating behaviour talking as "Muslims are a whole group with no difference". What are you talking about?

If you ara against whining why you stand up for Israel whereas you take whiner side here, where's your stability?

I recall how people were treated throughtout the US and EU when they were attacked first, so if self defence is a crime, every country is a potential criminal, but we be treated differently only makes me think this propaganda has religionic roots, which does not bother me, there always were some to hate us for that, let it be.

 

Pretty much everything in the last post by Leo makes no sense at all. Just a coverup for hypocrisy.