He lived in Turkey, his homeland,for all his life over 50 years, he was even allowed to publish a newspaper about Armenians(named Agos which is still being published mainly in Istanbul-Turkey) because we allow freedom of speech as long as it's not hostile. Murder was an act of an extremist idiot who took your wicked provocations too seriously, which is not supported by the community, that's why 10 thousands of Turks participated in his funeral, and that's why that idiot is in prison right now. You go search killed Turkish diplomats murdered by your official terror group ASALA and then talk about Hrant Dink. Hrant Dink was our beloved citizen, it's our loss, don't try to twist a death to serve your wicked accusation, show some respect. or whiiiine, as that's what you(plural) do best.
Ok you have your opinion and we ours and nobody can change it . As I've already said " Time will show " I'm thread starter and I want mods to close this thread because it seems that everybody stated their opinion regarding this. Thanks for participating in this thread
I think when some research group go after this and some light is shed onto the subject then the truth will be revealed. For now, America wants to see Turkey in the EU, they might not be interested in this dispute for now, but it won't stay this way forever. Politics is called out of this. At the other hand, scientific research can work independendly from politcal influence and therefore believe that the truth will be revealed.
Hrant Dink was assasinated for "insulting Turkishness" which simply means, he accepted the Armenian Genocide. There is just too much evidence proving that it happened. I have notes from research I have done myself and I will present them later tonight. And I am not saying I hate all Turks, I am Armenian but as the Nobel-Prize winning author Hrant Dink once said, "They do not admit it, since they would not do such a horrible thing themselves and cannot imagine their ancestors commiting such a crime. They are really nice people." I'll have more for you all later tonight...
Oh and for all the webmasters here...if you are not Turkish or Muslim, the Turkish hackers will come after you and ruin your website. There are many threads here on DP and the hackers have said it themselves that whenever they see a foreign server, they hack it. They apologized to a Muslim webmaster for what they did. As you can see, they are very disrespectful towards anyone who isn't Turkish or Muslim. And since we are on a webmasters' forum, I though I'd let you all know that.
There are several ways to insult a nation, so it is only your bias and the way you want to see, you can make a search what reason he was assasianted, it is no secret, besides he was allowed to publish a newspaper for Armenians called Agos which is still an active newspaper, that's how we respect freedom of speech. On the other hand, today, it is a crime which would put you in jail to deny it in France, Switzerland and many other so-called modern locations, so they simply put you in jail for making a statement over a historical issue, if you have a love for freedom of speech you can start with them maybe. There is even no evidence needed to know these are all caused by Armenians who attacked in the first place, killed civilians and starting crying with genocide when they got defeated. If you don't take the risk to be defeated simply don't go into wars. Also, i'd like to see your notes about ASALA terror and Hodjali genocide towards Azerbaijanis commited by Armenia, if you truly are against genocides. These accusations is an issue of before Turkish Republic's foundation(1923) so relating it with any pact of todays' is beyond historical or scientific, it's only political as it always was. Besides, Turkey does not have to join EU if it's meant to be a Christian Pact and manipulated so easily, who needs who more is greatly arguable considering close futures global circumstances.
Cool pic Leo! Mind if I use that the next time muslims start whining about the land they are occupying in Israel?
Of course you can, however it surprised me you bring up Israel first when there are already too many to whine about your avatars origin. PS: Muslims are not a little, one-thought motivated community. Generalization is wrong.
Denying the Armenian genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide) is just silly. The facts are stacked too highly against denial. However, that being said, who cares? I mean seriously folks, all of the guilty parties are dead and almost all of the victims would be dead of natural causes at this point. Get over it. If Turkey wants to join the EU, they should be invited with open arms. Western civilization needs all of the allies that it can get.
Is that your entire argument? Please... The Armenian Genocide is the second most studied case of genocide in the history of mankind. Do you know that statements of verifiable fact about the Armenian genocide are illegal in Turkey? How can you believe that you know any truth when truth itself is illegal in your country?
So Will, what do you know about it? Share it and let us know. I know when something is shout out loud, there are always some to believe it. But let's see why you believe it. PS: It is not illegal in our country to discuss it, it is what Armenian minorities trying to do around the world to prison whoever denies it, like today if you go to France and deny it, you will be jailed for "saying" it, does that match your perspective for freedom of speech?
Leo, seriously, you don't need me to recount the incredible mass of available information in these historical events. Start here and work through the references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide You claim that it is not illegal, and yet Hrant Dink was convicted in a Turkish court for just exactly that. Later, he was murdered for speaking his mind. That is not the way that civilized nations and civilized people behave. I can't speak for France, the French are jokes.
Okay good. Firstly; Reason Hrant Dink was accused calling "Turkish blood is dirty" (or that's how i can translate) in a speech of his, not for saying "genocide is real". And about why he was killed; yes he was killed because of his mind and not because how he looks, but you can't show me a single place where no extremists live in, what matters is that murder is not welcome in the society, that's why over 10k Turkish people attended his funeral with the motto "We are all Armenians, come kill all all of us if you dare" and that's why that killer is in prison now and for a very long time. Also France is not the alone with that, Switzerland is it's company and there are some other in EU also some other countries where Armenian minorites live in, as Argentine is one of them too if i'm not mistaken(hard to follow all). I will try to explain you with an example, because i think most of the people who believes it is under the delusion of this global propaganda. Suppose for a moment that U.S. is under a major attack, suppose it's coming from Russia&China. You'd expect all your citizens, regardless from religion or race defend it, right? Okay, there are hundred thousands of Armenians live in U.S. mostly in L.A., suppose Russia told them "You are our brothers, attack these American ....s and we'll give you the whole California once we defeat them" some of them considers the balances and agrees with the red plan, starts killing your people and bombing your buildings. What would your response be? "But. but.. why?? " or a react towards them, kill those whoever kills people and quarantine those whoever you suspect of supporting them. Of course reactions may have been harsher considering we are talking about 100 years ago and times of a huge world war. Later on, they officialy build a terror group called ASALA and killed countless Turkish diplomats. in 1992, they destroyed a whole city without leaving a single living thing in Hodjali, Azerbaijan. Their gangs killed 100 thousands of Ottoman village people during the times they mention. But forgetting all of these, they prefer to play the victimhood, you know why? Because they suppose they can get land and money from Turkey this way. This disgusts me. There are hundreds of thousands Armenian people live in Turkey today, 1 of the top 5 countries most Armenian society live in, there are Armenian celebrities in Turkey as singers, actors etc. all known to be Armenian no secret, even this proves no genocide occured but only reaction was in terms of self defence, otherwise, local authority surely had the power to kill them all for the 100's of years they lived there, but only those who backstabbed killed, i'm sure many innocent was killed too, shit happens in war, but there's no genocide as claimed.
Leo: Any country more than ten minutes old has some skeletons in it's closet. Look at the U.S. behavior in the Philippines after the Spanish American War, it was despicable. Hell, look at the Spanish American War itself. The British are probably the most moral people on Earth, but they started and continued the Boer War. The Japanese are so polite, right? Except, of course, in Asia in the 1930's and 40's. Russians are jovial drunks, right? They killed 20 million of their own people. Accept that history is not always kind to you and move on. Hell, if the Turks had emotionally come to terms with their actions in the Armenian Genocide, they might have been far better able to deal with the Kurds.