Will the Iraq wikileaks prove claims of warcrimes?

But no one tries to kill more other countries people for their greedy needs right... Even you know the truth. But your nationality is trying to overcome the truth...

 

In Iraq , huh ? Where terrorists are killing man mutilating every day .

In secret places like Indonesia , Egypt , Malaysia or Djibouti where all the women have their genitalia cut because thy are Muslim ?

The only nation I truly care about are those of NATO , Russia , Japan & Oceania . The rest have a long way to go before they can be a respectable nations .

@Helvetii : I own you an apology . I had no idea that this guy will immediately go trowing dirt based on nationality .

@The Peoples SEO : You may think that by being vehement you're doing the US a favor . The harsh reality is that in war there are no rules . Some people push things a little to far . I know 2nd hand what happened in Afghanistan & Iraq . 3 good friends of mine never returned from that hellfront and I personally talked to about 10 people that served in Iraq . Most of them just want to forget the whole thing since there is nothing good to remember when you are fighting an enemy that slays women & children . But for freedom's sake let's keep it civil , let's not talk like hate muttering extremists .

 

I was being facetious. The guy is not a US citizen and does not fall under the scope of US law. He's a naive dupe, but that is not a crime in almost any country last time I checked. Were he to be harassed, arrested, or killed, there are a million more that would get in line to play his role.

I suspect there is very little the over/under paid techies at the pentagon have not been able to crack. I suspect the only real problem for them is not being able to decipher in real time.

The documents were classified. PFC Manning released them. He released them for the sole purpose of having them politicized to do damage to the US war efforts in Iraq. According to Julian, he requested that they be edited in such a way as to hide the guys carrying the RPG and AKs, for max political value. He is a traitor by every legal and legitimate definition of the word.

Not agreeing that that is what the video showed, we classify things for many reasons, not the least of which is preventing video like this from being re-cut and politicized in exactly the way it was. If there really were crimes committed in that video, or any other, I absolutely agree that they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the military code, but I most definitely do not agree that they should be made public in the middle of a propaganda war.

Some possible alternatives: 1) Anything can be made to look embarrassing and then be used as a recruiting tool for the enemy. Look at Dr. Afia arrested in Pakistan with the bomb making materials and the plans to use them. That scumbag terrorist became a rallying cry for the enemy in the defense of women who, if she were not a terrorist, would have been happily beheaded by the very same people crying over her "mistreatment". 2) Secrecy in war, business, or playing a F'n game of chess is an absolute requirement, unless your goal is to lose.

Always. I notice you had no response to my comments on witches. Are you a witch hater? WITCH HATER!!!

I suspect this has happened in every military on the planet at one point or another. Its not an activity to be condoned. There is also no evidence that it happened here, and calling for one side in a conflict to fight without the benefit of secrecy is the same thing as calling for that side to lose.

You are starting to sound like stox.

 

The truth is the war in Iraq ended years ago, it only lasted a few months. The problem in Iraq now is other countries like Iran, Afgan, and others sending insurgents to keep Iraq unstable. Like I said the war ended years ago, it's the power hungry people that are responsible for the killings in iraq. Also worry about your own country who is notorious for violating human rights, so quit being such a hypocrite...

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You make me begin to doubt your ability to assess things pragmatically. But am I right? What makes you think so?

 

With all these hypocrite comments, I'm starting to think this isn't about human rights, but people jealous of our freedom... Before you can talk about human rights in one country, you need to address the human rights violations in your own country... You can't ignore your own disregard for human rights...

 

Note the word "truly" Alevoor . This are in my view the countries that I consider friends , countries that do their best to make the world truly a better place . I believe that all the nations should prosper and that all the citizens of Earth should be happy .

But I can not consider the demonic China a friend . If tomorrow all the members of the Chinese government died I'd be opening a bottle of champagne . S-E Asia needs to stabilize socially and economically . There are countries that are successful but those are few and small .

The Middle East needs to build new laws & economies that are not based on oil & tourism .

Africa has just stopped warring whit each other & they still have huge economic issues everywhere . Major economic Issues in oil exporting counties and the North is being infested by Sharia law .

South & Central America has a uncontrolled population boom , unstable economies , horrid poverty & cocky politicians (Brasil wants to drill in Antarctica because they say it's theirs lol) .

And finally poor India it's plagued by overpopulation , economy that exists thanks to protectionism & outsourcing and it's shoving money into building a nuclear tirade . I'm sorry Alevoor but I can't consider this nations friends . Some people from those countries are OK but there are far to many problems for those states to enter my swell folks list .

 

It was not meant for you, regardless of my choice of "words", The Peoples Douch got what he deserved and asked for.


@The Peoples Douch: Dude are you even watching the videos you post? Haven't you already had yourself humiliated enough that you are asking for more by posting videos which don't prove anything?

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What a complete moron, atleast learn how to spell the word douche before you call someone that, you clown...

 

First meaningless videos and then picking on spelling errors, why don't you just give up and admit that you can't defend your original point and stop embarrassing your country so much, traitor.

 

What are you talking about? you make no sense. Nothing you have said on the topic makes sense. Your argument is to call someone a "douch" or tell tell people "I have a life" ??? Like I said you are a complete moron, and need to grow up... Resorting to kiddy name calling because somebody don't agree with you is a joke, Boo Hoo

 

I haven't been able to follow you two nuking each other . But just out of curiosity : why is he a traitor ?

 

Dude if nothing makes sense to you then you need go back to page one and start reading all the posts including you responses to them if still my attacking you for having fucked up ideas on Human rights and freedom of speech doesn't make sense then may I suggest you rehab for criminally insane? Check out if they have beds at Shutter Island.

Because he's doing his country a disservice by defending barbaric acts while claiming to speak for the entire country, I think he might be a Muslim agent paid to portray Americans as people with no regard for non-american lives.

He literally says that:

1) Warcrimes happen
2) Condoners and soldiers need to answer no one
3) BUT...those who leak evidence of such acts need to be charged with treason (which has provision for death penalty I guess)

 

First of all I never condoned anything, don't put words in my mouth. Second your paranoia of Muslim's has got you talking like an idiot... I am a proud American who served his country honorably, not some potty mouth moron hiding in India behind a girls picture

 

Where exactly am I putting words in your mouth?

You literally said that:

1) Warcrimes happen
2) Condoners and soldiers need to answer no one
3) BUT...those who leak evidence of such acts need to be charged with treason (which has provision for death penalty I guess)

And then claim:

You are a disgrace to America, TRAITOR!! Seriously how much are you paid to shame your countrymen?

 

I'm done giving you airtime, it's like trying to debate with a 2 year old kid. You have embarrassed yourself enough, take care clown...

 

Just tell one thing. Do you support your nation killing more than 200000 people for getting petrol and other natural resources in the country?

Dont you think you dont have rights to force something on others. Will you allow if some one comes and ask you to vacate the places where you lived for years?

 

First of all I support my country, I am American and always will be, I'm not going to turn my back on my country just because you say so. Second supporting your country does not mean supporting the killing of innocent people... Third who ever said the U.S went into Iraq for petrol? correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't us Americans paying trillions in taxes to rebuild that country? I fill my car with gas every week and pay a hefty price for a gallon of gas, so where is all this oil you are talking about?

I respect your views rajalakshmip, but don't agree the U.S went to war over oil...

 

This is where your position on this issue falls apart. Do you know if the matter of the chopper gunner was investigated? Do you know what the findings were? Do you know what evidence was presented on both sides of the argument? Was PFC Manning aware of what actions had been taken in regard to the matter? For you to presume PFC Manning did a favor to all of us requires the government to have been involved in some scandalous cover up which, even today, has not come to light. Even if he was knowledgable of such a hearing, the evidence, and the findings thereof, he would have been damn sure the findings of the hearing were not only wrong but a cover up. I doubt he even knew the details.

The fact of the matter is, there ARE avenues for people like Manning to voice their concerns over something they feel to be outside the code of proper military conduct. There is a military judiciary that hears and rules on these matters. There are processes in place to deal with these things. To justify airing that video to the general public in the way it was aired violated that process. To justify something like that, he would have had to have presented something earth shattering showing conspiracy and showing the process itself to be corrupt. The video is out, and no such findings have been made. Instead, his treason just created a propaganda tool for the enemy. Whistle blower protection would only be merited if it turned out there was something legitimate to blow the whistle on.

 

What does King Leonidas have to do whit failure ? His one of the most awesome wins in the history of man kind .