Will the Iraq wikileaks prove claims of warcrimes?

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  1. hardeep80s

    hardeep80s Well-Known Member

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    #21
    You may find this interesting:
    http://blairfoundation.wordpress.com/letter/

    Part of it reads:
    'RE ANTHONY CHARLES LYNTON BLAIR
    We, the citizens of the United Kingdom and other countries listed, wish to uphold The United Nations Charter, The 1998 Rome Statute of The International Criminal Court, The Hague and Geneva Conventions and the Rule of International Law, especially in respect of:-

    1: 1949 Geneva Convention IV: Article 146
    The High Contracting Parties undertake to enact any legislation necessary to provide effective penal sanctions for persons committing, or ordering to be committed, any of the grave breaches of the present Convention.

    2: 1907 Hague Convention IV: Article 3
    A belligerent party which violates the provisions of the said regulations shall, if the case demands, be liable to pay compensation. It shall be responsible for all the acts committed by persons forming part of its armed forces.'
    ...
    'The following are our sample complaints relating to the Iraq War 2003-2009:

    1: Deceit and conspiracy for war, and providing false news to incite passions for war, causing in the order of one million deaths, 4 million refugees, countless maimings and traumas.

    2: Employing radioactive ammunition causing long-term destruction of the planetary habitat.

    3: Causing the breakdown of civil administration, with consequent lawlessness, especially looting, kidnapping, and violence, and consequent breakdown of womens’ rights, of religious freedom, and child and adult education.

    4: Failing to maintain the medical needs of the populace.

    5: Despoliation of the cultural heritage of the country.

    6: Supporting an ally that employs ‘waterboarding’ and other tortures.

    7: Seizing the assets of Iraq.

    8: Using inhumane restraints on prisoners, including dogs, hoods, and cable ties.

    9: Using Aggressive Patrolling indiscriminately, traumatising women and children and wrecking homes and property.

    10: Marking bodies of prisoners with numbers, writing, faeces and other degrading treatment.

    11: The use of cluster bombs and other indiscriminate weapons including white phosphorous on “shake and bake” missions.

    12: Supporting indiscriminate rocket attacks from F16 fighter planes on women and children in Fallujah in Nov 2004

    13: Supporting the shooting up of ambulances and medical personnel in Fallujah in Nov 2004

    14: Supporting the expulsion of the entire population of Fallujah save for young men of military age, for a reprisal attack on that city in Nov 2004.'

    These wikileaks will allow more charges to be made.
     
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  2. The Peoples SEO

    The Peoples SEO Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Ok but your talking like the U.S went into Iraq for no reason... As far as soldiers dying, that is part of war. How many soldiers died before we got our own freedom in the U.S? How many brothers and sisters died, before we became 100% free country? (civil war)

    War is never pretty, There is no such thing as a war without casualties...
     
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    samser_m Well-Known Member

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    #23
    "we" whoever are against war.

    I have not read all wikileaks, but if 50% of these documents are true then also its scary!
     
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    The Peoples SEO Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Do yourself a favor and stay behind the computer, that way others can give up their lives in future wars, so you can safely comment on forums... if you're scared then buy a dog...
     
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    #25
    No one's forgetting the reason why the US went to Iraq... for their natural resources of course.

    I hate to say it but those soldiers who died in Iraq, the Americans and the Iraqies died in vein. I mean no disrespect to them, may they r.i.p but the guy in charge is a douche.
     
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    The Peoples SEO Well-Known Member

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    #26
    That's why we are paying trillions in taxes to rebuild that country genius, and the oil is going to the Iraqi people... I take you are talking about the sand when you say "resources", yea guilty as charged...
     
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    #27
    Lmfao, you're deluded. Too much Fox News I'm guessing. Iraq would have been better of with Saddam Hussain, the amount of innocent people who have died for no reason is terrible. Just check out this new article about two guys who surrendered but were shot anyway.
     
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    #29
    Dude get lost, you're here talking non sense, take your conspiracy theories to thesmokinggun.com...
     
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    #30
    Nice, so what do you have to say for your country? Over 300,000 documents say that your leaders are complete assholes. Any justification on your part?
     
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    The Peoples SEO Well-Known Member

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    #31
    Dude don't be a hypocrite, England was right there fighting side by side with the U.S Also show some damn respect for the troops, ours and yours...
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #32
    Against war, or against the war on terror?

    Of course the wiki thing is scary. It sheds new light on the realities and the existence of WMD's.
     
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    #33
    Amazing. You read them all so fast, and you retained the content so well!

    Its comic to watch you guys get wound on what is probably the false flag operation Rebecca described earlier in this thread. Think about it. 300,000 pages and the most damaging tidbit to come out of it is that American troops may not have done enough to prevent the new Iraqi government from torturing their prisoners. Really? Meanwhile, reams of other documents show A) the US backpackers were kidnapped from Iraqi soil and B) Iran has been overtly creating chaos within Iraq. If anything, the documents read like hand written literature from the US govt in full support of their version of things. I'd bet the US methods and tactics described in the documents are complete disinformation. I just feel bad the guy who released the docs is going to get a life sentence in Leavenworth for playing his role in this rouse. Manning and Oswald, unsung heroes?

    @Helvetti: Warcrimes? Really? I mean, I have no doubt things happen on the battlefield that fully fit the definition of war crimes, but the factless banter is just irresponsible. Why don't you guys try reading some of the documents and quoting from them instead of piling on like idiots.
     
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    #34
    I just love the part whit radioactive ammunition . Those guys have no idea what radioactivity is . Let alone read all the documents . If the US wanted the docs down the could simply fry the servers or as Rebecca said : start flooding the place whit junk .

    One thing is sure (gonna sound biases but that's life) Iraq now belongs to it's people not to a half-wit dictator .
     
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    #35
    Yeah England aswell, Tony Blair was stuck so far up George Bush's ass he didn't even think about what he was doing. They're just as bad as each other.

    I didn't claim to have read all of the documents, I read some of them and according to the reports that Web sites such as Mashable have made, many war crimes have been committed. I'm also pretty sure England have done their fair share aswell.

    Also, what exactly makes you think that these documents are fake?

    Here's a statement that the Pentagon made regarding the leak:

    They're shitting themselves right now.

    Lmao, what are you talking about? You sound like a douche - if you have nothing worthy to say then don't say it. I don't know what radioactivity is? I probably know more about radioactivity than you lmao. You troll.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #36
    So you read some website about what the documents contain, and then make all these claims without supporting facts or even a single out of context quote? Hey, I read on some website that you like to shove gerbils up your ass. You should really seek help with that. Its an unhealthy addiction.


    Uh right. They are legit because the US govt. implies they are legit without actually saying they are legit. Just take their implication at face value, right?

    If the documents said something they didn't want released, they would deplored them as fakes. Couple that with the fact that, from 300,000 pages of documents, you can't produce a single salacious quote that credibly embarrasses the US Government. The conclusion is pretty obvious. How does it feel to work for the US propaganda machine? What makes it comic is that you think you are somehow "exposing the man" by playing up some talking points you picked up off a random website.
     
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    #37
    And now we know what the reason is after that leak. he he
     
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    #38
    The chanology is strong in this one - I didn't realized that there was more of you . Or does "guys" means a single person in your version of English ?
     
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    #39
    You're assuming that I haven't read any of the documents myself? I spent around 2-3 after the release and I examined around 50 documents. I just couldn't be bothered going on Wikileaks and finding you one but since your dead set on continuing this argument without anything of any significance to say then here:

    Link to original file.

    Lmao you really think the US government is going to come out in public and say that they are legit? Are you stupid or are you just fucking with me? I mean seriously, they're obviously not going to admit that thousands of people died because of their negligence especially when their initial purpose was to go to that country and sort it out - obviously this proves that that's untrue and they had ulterior motives. Is there anyway you can prove that these documents are not real? Who would sit there and write 300,000 documents for some attention? You've got to be kidding me.

    I assume when you say 'guys' that also means me? But seriously, I know a lot about radiation.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    So you present one document that implies a murder took place, without saying who committed the murder, what country that soldier was from, but confirms the soldier was detained? Thats your smoking gun?

    Did you read my post? Of course they didn't admit they were legit. They implied they were legit by disparaging their release. Jesus are you gullible or what. If I were the US govt., I'd quit putting out press releases via Robert Gibbs and instead push all the information through wikileaks. Obviously there are loads of gullible people like you out there who will consume it like it was written by the hand of God.

    Their purpose was to go to that country to "sort it out"? Here I thought it was WMD and constant violations of UN imposed sanctions. You must be the one person on the planet that expected Saddam to lay down and the invasion to be bloodless. Again, nothing new or informative here. Besides, peppering the documentation with a few errors in execution only adds to their credibility.

    You are a 9-11 truther, is there anyway you can prove that Bush was knowledgeable of 9-11?

    Some attention? How about building the case for the invasion of Iran. Lets not forget that riffe through these documents are examples of uniformed Iranian military engaging in direct combat operations against US and Iraqi troops on Iraqi soil.
     
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