Will the Iraq wikileaks prove claims of warcrimes?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by hardeep80s, Oct 26, 2010.

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    The publication of documents regarding the invasion of Iraq and the following regime change on wikileaks.

    Do you think this should help the case of bringing people like george bush and tony blair to answer to charges of war crimes.

    I hope so, if only to serve as a warning to other 'leaders'.
     
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    The Peoples SEO Well-Known Member

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    I think those wikileaks are a breach of national security... This is no such thing as a war without any war crimes, Blair and Bush have to answer to no one... The clowns that keep releasing these files need to be charged with treason, Seriously...
     
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    samser_m Well-Known Member

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    #3
    if we don't look at the wikileaks at all then also we know the barbarism of a war. We know nothing will happen after someday people will forget it except those unlucky poor men, women or children who have been suffering or have lost someone.
     
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    This kind of thing is what disgusts me most. You people have already made the guys life hell for exercising his freedom of speech that too for a good cause.
     
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    The Peoples SEO Well-Known Member

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    If it disgust you, then go throw up. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, this is a matter of national security, and can and will cause wars... Stealing and publishing secret documents are the internet is treason...They are confidential for a reason, not to satisfy your curiosity...
     
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    I obviously haven't reviewed all the leaked documents (nor have you) but I don't get how exposing war crimes will cause wars and even if they do, people have the right to know the truth. The truth that the entire Iraq war was meaningless and just revenge Bush was taking for daddy, the armies carried out and condoned serious war crimes and those crimes were covered up either to avoid embarrassment or because no one gave a damn about Innocent Iraqis. This truth needs to be exposed to bring the responsible people to book and embarrass those who support such acts like you.
     
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    The Peoples SEO Well-Known Member

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    Listen quit assuming, because I could careless about Bush, so stop profiling "you people" without even knowing... First off, Saddam was telling everybody he has Weapons of mass destruction. He was bluffing and Bush called him on it. You don't go making threats and expect countries not to take you serious... As far as wars, there is no such thing as a war where innocent people don't get killed... If you're going to have a war people are going to die period.

    By the way what country are you from? I see you talking crap about "you people" but where are you from so we can see what kind of policies your country goes by? if you're going to talk about 'you people" the least you can do is let "you people" know where you're coming from...
     
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    If its all so good and normal then I wonder whats their to hide it terabytes of secret data? Did you even read the gist of what was exposed? Or are you just arguing for an electric chair for the "clowns" because Faux News says so? If US hands were cleaned and it did nothing wrong then there would be nothing to be embarrassed, ashamed or fear about from the leaks.
     
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    Nobody said it was good, it's just part of war whether we like it or not... And like I said it's nobodies business what is in those documents, ALL countries have their own secret documents, even the country you are hiding in, so don't be a hypocrite... And don't talk to me about your "Faux" conspiracy, I don't watch fox news...
     
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    Its everybodies business whats in the documents. Politicians can put up 20 storey high billboards for the good things they do and also get the privilege to hide the bad things from public eye and its no ones business? If my country was committing serious war crimes, waging false wars, condoning gross human rights violations and keeping it in secret documents then I would want it exposed so the culprits can be punished rather than the exposer. Ofcourse if they were exposing the sites we store nuclear bombs at or our launch sites or anything else which puts our national security and lives in danger I'd call it treason but wikileaks as per my knowledge has not exposed such documents even though they had access to it. They are only letting the public know the actions of their leaders and army.
     
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    samser_m Well-Known Member

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    hey this makes me laugh, don't be silly man!

    How many weapons of mass destruction found there?

    this is a matter of national security

    nice, I think Iraqies should also have so called something "national security"
     
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    can you please enlighten us how these documents "can and will cause wars" ?
     
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    The man was telling Iran that he had WMD, what rock have you been hiding under???

    "Saddam: I lied about WMD's to scare off Iran. "

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32LnjWJTHcg

    "BAGHDAD, Iraq — Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein warned Sunday that if Iraq is attacked, it will take the war anywhere in the world "wherever there is sky, land or water." President Bush gave the United Nations one more day to find a diplomatic solution to the standoff."


    Saddam was making threats and got caught bluffing, this is war not a game of poker... A matter of "national security"
     
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    samser_m Well-Known Member

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    lol if any country scares another country by claiming something false, then being scared will US start war?

    Anyway, as you are afraid that "this is a matter of national security", all general people including me ( and Iraqies too) were/are scared. I don't think only the war was the final resort to finalize the matter of "weapons of mass destruction" with Iraq. US could get supports from many countries to keep Iraq in great pressure rather killing innocents. (Afghanistan too)

    What I have understood US condition is now something (both Iraq and Afghanistan issues): can't swallow, can't puke , stuck in throat!
     
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    If the government actually wanted to ruin WikiLeaks, it would be relatively easy. All they would have to do is start "accidently leaking" large amounts of false information. It couldn't be too obvious, just subtle inaccuracies that wouldn't even be noticed at first. Then, they could have government trolls go out on internet forums and Internet conspiracy circles to point out all of the false information (If they don't discover it on their own) . After awhile, no one would know what to believe, if anything, on WikiLeaks. I'm not saying they should, or should not do this, just that they could.
     
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    Where was all this outcry when Saddam was using WMD on his own people? When he used mustard gas on his own people? Where was all this support when Saddam was killing entire villages? Where was your support for the Iraqi people when Saddam was using Mass Genocide on them?

    Where was your country when thousands upon thousands of Iraqis were crying for help from the mass graves??? I'll tell you where, you were all busy saying that is not our problem. The U.S and Britain and other countries said enough was enough... Saddam made threats and the U.S took him to task. It's easy for you guys to talk on the internet, but when it comes to doing, talk is cheap, where was this big outcry when the Iraqis were bring eradicated by their own president??
     
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    War crimes for what specifically?

    So far all Wiki leaks has done is aided in supporting the claim that there were WMD's in IRAQ.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiLgNbw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM

    And that's posted in the New York Times of all places today!

    Seems wikileaks is doing completely the opposite of what many had hoped. ;)
     
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    oh man! do you think we are supporting Saddam, no, not at all! does wikileaks also support Saddam? no

    if Saddam had killed thousands people using whatever weapons he might have used, US have killed thousands too. if he had killed using WMD then US have used bomb or whatever... either way thousands innocents died.

    ok, forget Iraqies how many US soldiers died in these wars? or how many have lost their limbs?
     
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    I'm not really sure who "we" is, or what "we" do or do not support.

    I do know that mr wiki leaks bleeds controversy. More than a boost to his own ego its a way to become popular from being unpopular. Narcissists crave that type of attention.
     
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    Will they? Many people have already analysed them and found that many of them show abuse to prisoners.

    One example that I saw: The american troops had a prisoner tied up, soldier walks in, pulls out browning pistol and fires 7 rounds into prisoner for no reason. Soldier is then detained for a day and when asked why he shot he says he was getting revenge and then he was let go.

    That was just one, think of the many other ones that are on there, there's over 300k documents.
     
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