Will more tables slow?

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by pr0xy122, Dec 9, 2006.

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    Will more tables slow down the process of loading the webpage, or does it not make much of a difference? Just images?

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Mr.tyro

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    I doubt it does btu liek any information it times to downalod froma site you are viewing.
     
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  3. pr0xy122

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    yeah thats what I thought, but was wondering if there was any major difference.
     
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    Old HTML books will tell you to try not to put lots of nested tables in your HTML but hey! those are the time when most people have dialups.

    I won't worry with table and it's relationship to site's speed.
     
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    yes it would definitely slow down loading of sites... since the creation of tables take up a lot more text in the page - which increases file size.

    but as mentioned, i don't think it's significant... unless you've got major major nested tables... ;)
     
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  6. Freewebspace

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    What is meant by nesting of tables? explain me clearly
     
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  7. alecs

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    #7
    The problem with tables comes when they are used to create the layout of the website (e.g. placing images, headers, background images etc.). Many designers use css to format div tags and thus the design can easily be changed only with the help of a css file.

    A nested table is a table within another table.
     
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  8. kashem

    kashem Banned

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    Yes it will slow down. Browsers first downloads whole table then render it.
     
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    More tables = slower loading time.

    I have seen a site with nested tables and it took me couple of minutes to load that site
     
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  10. Seiya

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    lol what connection you on parusa?? Tables cant be that big to slow down loading so much ,cmon.
     
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  11. vid

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    Actually, they'll not! They shouldn't. I can't find any difference between tables and "html". I mean tables are also html.
     
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  12. dp-user-1

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    As far as site speed, on slow connections, tables can slow down a page's loading time. Tables take more code to render, meaning longer pages, meaning bigger files, meaning longer download times.

    This is not to say tables are bad, they are very useful for presenting data. For layouts, however, they should generally be avoided.
     
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  13. pr0xy122

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    Do you know any tutorials that explain table positioning etc, creating layour etc?
     
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  14. alecs

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    Nope, sorry. I think some image editing programs have the option to export images as html files by slicing and creating tables (Fireworks for example).
    But as I said, I strongly advise to use css for creating layouts and tables only for data formating.
    Here is a well-known site http://www.csszengarden.com . You can see how drastically the design may change only by assigning a different external css file and not by modifying tables.
     
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    I have seen it slow down a page drastically when there were multiple nested tables. True the problem was on a dialup and there were some html errors made at that time. Its best to code a page as if the visitor were on dial up. Because more than half still are. Failing to do so can cause a large number of your visitors to leave before the page loads....
     
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  16. dp-user-1

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    Photoshop can create tables, but if you want to move away from them then that doesn't help.

    I do my coding by hand, I'd recommend the same.
     
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  17. vitaminp

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    tables seem to be output when they are finished downloading whilst other content seems to load pretty much around the same time.

    check out the xoog homepage: http://xoog.net. most of the time the tables to the right under "Party Pictures" loads (relatively) slow as each one is loaded seperately. I'm not sure if this is due to the fact that there are a few SQL queries called for each one of the tables, or that its the tables themselves that make the site load a little slower: But it really annoys me and I cant think of a reasonable way of stopping it.

    I'm on an 8 megabit connection and it definetely affects me, although not all of the time.
     
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  18. totaleffect

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    you wont beable to see a difference on broadband, but dialup you will. I went to that xoog.net site, and didnt see nothing load first. then again im on 24mbit line =)
     
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    btw, where are you from? that sites being hosted from TX, so if your from say cali, and have 8mbit, you are probably only seeing 1-2mbit from that host, since there will be alot of packetloss.

    when I do speedtests from pa to cali, i get around 5-6mbit. so distance makes a big difference. & from pa to NY 24mbit+
     
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  20. vitaminp

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    I'm from the UK, as are everyone who uses the site - US servers are much cheaper :)

    But still - 1/2Mb connections are still broadband and at the moment 2MB is considered quite fast in the UK for your average home user
     
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