Will islam take over the world?

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  1. ThraXed

    ThraXed Peon

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    #301
    Actually more people are moving out than moving in because they are sick of the goverment. They are realising that America is a safer place for them than Israel.
     
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  2. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    And I am guessing you have some stats that show this? I have heard quite the opposite for a number of years now.
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

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    stOx Notable Member

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    #304
    ThraXed just makes stuff up as and when he needs to. The guy is a compulsive liar.
     
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  5. imad

    imad Peon

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    #305
    If we took whole Palestine, not only parts occupied in 1948 ( which is called Israel now ) then we will see the declining % of Jewish people since 1970:


    Year Jews Arabs Total % of Jews to Total
    1914 60,000 731,000 791,000 7.585%
    1922 83,790 668,258 752,048 11.141%
    1931 174,606 858,708 1,033,314 16.897%
    1941 474,102 1,111,398 1,585,500 29.902%
    1950 1,203,000 1,172,100 2,375,100 50.650%
    1960 1,911,300 1,340,100 3,251,400 58.783%
    1970 * 2,582,000 1,045,000 3,627,000 71.188%
    1980 3,282,700 2,100,000 5,382,700 60.986%
    1995 4,495,100 3,506,900 8,002,000 56.173%
    2005 5,275,700 5,139,100 10,414,800 50.656%

    fast increase during the years from 1914 to 1970 due to the illegal immigration of Jews to Palestine, and started to decline in 1970 from 71.188% to 50.656% in 2005

    if we took the parts occupied in 1948 only:


    Year Jews Arabs Total % of Jews to Total

    1949 1,013,900 159,100 1,173,000 86.436%
    1967* 2,383,600 392,700 2,776,300 85.855%
    1973 2,845,000 493,200 3,338,200 85.225%
    1983** 3,412,500 706,100 4,118,600 82.855%
    1990 3,946,700 875,000 4,821,700 81.853%
    1995*** 4,522,300 1,004,900 5,527,200 81.819%
    2000**** 4,955,400 1,188,700 6,144,100 80.652%
    2006**** 5,393,400 1,413,300 6,806,700 79.237%


    declined from 86.436% in 1949 to 79.237% in 2006, despite the massive immigrations of Jews from former Soviet Union during 90's

    edited: source
     
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  6. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #306
    imad your stats are misleading. They show the percentage of jews compared to arabs, Not the number of jews. You can get no data regarding immigration or emigration of jews from those numbers.

    This graph (taken from the page you sourced) shows the NUMBER of jews compared to arabs. And from it we can see that the NUMBER of jews is increasing year after year, And not decreasing like ThraXed incorrectly claimed.
     

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  7. imad

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    in which way they are misleading? I did not say it shows the number of Jews, nor the site did, nor I did mention they show that Jews are decreasing, you can have an image about the situation there from these numbers, you can study the natural growth, immigrants, and have more clear idea about the situation, what I see as misleading is will's numbers cos they do not show Arabs and Jews, somebody might think they are all Jews who been born in Israel.

    edited: not to forget also there are factors that should be counted with Jews population there, which is the continuous immigrations of Jews from all over the world since before 1948, till now, new Jews immigrants are encouraged to move there with money,

    the other factor with the Jews population the displacement of Arab Palestinians in 1948 outside their home land, same in 1967, the numbers say that despite these factors the Jews % is decreasing there, its true that Arabs natural growth is more than Jews natural growth, this is the factor with Arabs population, but will this factor be enough to cause this decrease in Jews %, I do not have an answer,

    you have the numbers, you can make a quick study, and you can get more than just blind numbers not showing who is who.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    Will didn't post those numbers with the intention of showing the percentage of jews compared to arabs so i don;t see how they are misleading. He, And i, Posted the statistics to debunk thraxed's claim that "more people are moving out than moving in".
     
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  10. Will.Spencer

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    From the URL you posted:

    "Iran's Jewish population has dwindled from around 80,000 at the time of the 1979 Islamic revolution but remains the largest of any country in the Middle East apart from Israel."

    "A Jewish businessman, Ruhollah Kadkhodah-Zadeh, was hanged in 1998, apparently for allegedly helping Jews to emigrate."

    From Wikipedia:

    "In 2000, former Jewish MP Manuchehr Eliasi estimated that at that time there were still 30,000–35,000 Jews in Iran, other sources put the figure as low as 20,000–25,000."

    "Jews who apply for a passport to travel abroad must do so in a special bureau and are immediately put under surveillance. The government does not generally allow all members of a family to travel abroad at the same time to prevent Jewish emigration. Again, the Jews live under the status of dhimmi, with the restrictions im posed on religious minorities. Jewish leaders fear government reprisals if they draw attention to official mistreatment of their community."

    "... in May 1998, Jewish businessman Ruhollah Kakhodah-Zadeh was hanged in prison without a public charge or legal proceeding, apparently for assisting Jews to emigrate."

    "The Government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language."

    "Moreover, the Government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since certain kinds of work (such as writing or using electrical appliances on the Sabbath violates Jewish law), this requirement to operate the schools has made it difficult for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion. Saturday is no longer officially recognized as the Jewish sabbath and Jewish pupils are compelled to attend school on that day."



    What do you call an Iranian Jew? -- A hostage.
     
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  11. ThraXed

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    A Hostage? How did you get to that conclusion considering that they were offered thousands as an incentive to go to Israel but they declined, Iran can't be that bad for Jews!
     
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  12. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #312
    Finding this a bit weird, if Iran do not like the Jews so much why don't just allow them to migrate, save all this extra troubles.

     
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  13. Will.Spencer

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    #313
    You didn't read the article you posted, did you?

    They declined, because if they had accepted they or their families might have been executed by the Iranian regime.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    I do not mean Jewish themselves, I am saying if Iranian govt do not like Jews so much why not just let them leave.

     
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    Ha ha ha ha. Wisdom, they were offered thousands of dollars as an incentive to leave by other Jews and people, but they declined, they just love Iran too much!
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Hi ThraXed, anything you would want to share with us?

     
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  17. Will.Spencer

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    ThraXed:

    What in the heck is wrong with you? Do you have a reading problem or a thinking problem?

    Even with the risk of execution for attempting to emigrate from Iran, the Jewish population of Iran has still fallen by around 50,000 people since the Islamists took power.
     
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    #318
    fuck religion it causes nothing but trouble.
     
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  19. xXKingdom_SEOXx

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    #319
    Will islam take over the world?... Not whiles I'm here, people like me who're against religion will not tolerate that shit, TRUST ME! :mad: Only world they could take over is this fucked up'd world, Not I, not MY world. The thought of that is like someone enslaving me.... HA!!!!

    * Should be a global Rule

    Don't enforce your religion on others.
     
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  20. Will.Spencer

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    #320
    It's easy to say that when you're living comfortably in Dar al Harb.

    What would you do if you were living in the heart of Dar al Islam?
     
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