Wikipedia is RUTHLESS!!!

Discussion in 'General Marketing' started by PlateFish, Apr 16, 2008.

  1. #1
    I have heard that a good way of getting deep links and a quality backlink is to write an article and submit it to wikipedia.

    Well I did... And I've had about 10-15 different people request my article to be deleted as it is original content that I appear to have made up.

    I checked the site for all the articles out of the 8 million + that are out there and there are about 20, including mine, that didn't make the cut. So naturally I laughed.

    Is my article SO bad that it joins the group of the 20 bad ones out of the 7 million good ones. The other 19 are porn wikis or just plain advertisements.

    If anyone has wikipedia or article writing knowledge, please can you refer to my wikipedia article and make suggestions.

    Thanks
     
    PlateFish, Apr 16, 2008 IP
  2. Supper

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    #2
    I didn't know know you could write articles to wikipedia.
     
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  3. PlateFish

    PlateFish Banned

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    #3
    All you have to do is create an account. If you have the right references and the right writing skills then you can create a very high quality webpage that will rank very highly for the keywords used.

    I'm using it as a marketing strategy without directly advertising but only by holding a reference link to one of the articles on my site.
     
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    Okay. Not sure how well that would work. I can see wikipedia not allowing that and immediately stopping it.
     
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  5. PlateFish

    PlateFish Banned

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    I uploaded it last night and I already rank on the 2nd page of google for "online poker rigging"
     
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  6. iWrite

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    #6
    If the article you submit to Wikipedia is of good quality, and the reference is a quality website, why would they disallow it?

    It also seems that someone just wants to move(rename) the article, as their has been no argument made in the discussion page as to why it needs to be deleted. The box inserted is probably just the wrong one.
     
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  7. PlateFish

    PlateFish Banned

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    #7
    Please let me refer you to here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Poker_Is_Rigged

    where you can find numerous complaints.

    The references are TOP quality! References to specific pages on PokerStars and Absolute Poker where the information has been taken from. I'm not entirely sure what needs to be deleted about this but I have heard it's hard to get an article onto wiki with the 1000s of critics that nit pick at all the submissions. :mad:
     
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  8. EGS

    EGS Notable Member

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    #8
    I h4x0r3d it.
    Consider your shameless self-promotion defaced!
     
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  9. Chancey

    Chancey Well-Known Member

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    #9
    Of course they are so strict because they are most trusted sources around the internet. This is the reason why I never attempt to write for them. It is better if you are just going to guess post on famous blogs.
     
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  10. Jason Green

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    #10
    Here's is the reason:

    1. The topic is poker - a niche associated with aggressive spamming - Moderators will be looking for reasons to delete anything that links to a non-mainstream resource (BBC, USAToday etc.).
    With that in mind you would need to tread extra extra carefully and meet every Wikipedia rule.

    2. You broke a Wikipedia rule/guideline because your article title was innacurate, sensational and misleading - so you've given those spam fighting mods that little bit of a reason to delete your article.

    3. The style of the article is that of an essay (opinionated and looking at the game form one angle) and is not the sort of thing you would go in an encyclopedia (something that is of neutral point of view).

    Thats exactly what Wiki members pointed out to you:
    You can argue with them all you want or you can thoroughly read the guidelines for Wikipedia. Writing for an encyclopedia is a lot tougher than you may think and Wikipedia is only so well respected because it maintains these standards - don't fight the standards but look to learn, understand and implement them in your own contributions.

    Start here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV
     
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    and they really do not deserve that trusted source status. Any drunk with an internet connection can make a mockery of it - and they do. I'm slightly ashamed to admit that I have a couple of friends who when they get back from the pub are inclined to add daft stuff - nothing scandalous, it's just a game amongst themselves to see how long obviously made up stuff can stay on there. Sometimes it's many months.
     
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    himanuzo Well-Known Member

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    #12
    You CANNOT submit articles that contain business purposes to Wikipedia.
     
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    #13
    Even if you do, it won't really help. The links at wikipedia are nofollow links for this very reason. :)
     
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  14. PlateFish

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    I left a change article name submission at the bottom of the article to try and change it to "online poker rigging".

    I tried as hard as possible to keep it neutral using both sources from incidents of rigging and incidents where rigging would be unheard of.
     
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    #15
    wikipedia is no follow so if you are writing articles to get backlinks, you are working for nothing. however, you will get some traffic from wikipedia if you manage to get your link in there
     
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  16. BP77

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    I've done it in the past - but only with legitmate, relevant pieces I've written. For ranking purposes, its a pointless exercise. In terms of traffic, I've had good results from some links, and next to nothing from others.
     
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  17. PlateFish

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    #17
    I'm amazed your friends managed to get their articles up there for a long time. The volunteer editors at wikipedia are ruthless. I'm not sure if it's the gambling aspect of the article I wrote or whether the editors will literally check word for word what you have written and what you have referred. I got picked up on things that I thought were normal in article, my referencing was good and the article was not original content that I had plucked out of thin air, but incredibly reliable information.
     
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    #18
    I use Wikipedia as one of my main sources of information (of course, as it is user submitted, should not be considered completely accurate without verification) and I would hate to see it turned into an advertising land.

    I suggest you to erase it if you only wrote it to advertise your business. For me, trying to advertise in Wikipedia is as bad as sending spam.

    I'm sorry, but what happened to your article, makes me feel more comfortable knowing that Wikipedia collaborators are really serious about the accuracy and quality of the articles.
     
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    Don't worry guys, I was battling him in defacing it and he kept trying to edit it back..
    Eventually the attention of editing that I brought the article made the editors lock the article entirely and it's pending deletion.

    I love h4x0r1ng people's self-promotion like this.

    I am the almighty EGS, all show bow down.
     
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  20. PlateFish

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    I noticed you hadn't edited anything and but it was deleted. There was absolutely no self promotion apart from 1 reference to a thread on my site where, infact I had taken some information.
     
    PlateFish, Apr 16, 2008 IP