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wikileaks needs your help

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Arnie, Dec 5, 2010.

  1. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Jimmy Hoffa still hasn't turned up.
     
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  3. Bushranger

    Bushranger Notable Member

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    #23
    hahaah, you guys live in your own worlds. I guess these people are ghosts?

    Open letter: To Julia Gillard, re Julian Assange
    Just to confirm, you guys do know he's calling for Obama to resign? Would have thought that alone would make you back him lol.
     
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    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    Ah dude he's in jail . If he was a true ghost he'd be drinking Vodka in Siberia .

    The fact that he doesn't like Obama won't make me like him . He's just a overconfident hacker that got nailed another "old hacker" or "sorinel" . The kids today need to look up to Linus Trovald or Bill Gates not to two bit overglorified Assange . Personally I don't like him because his hitting the only true superpower that stands for freedom and because he gives the true black ops community a bad name .
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    i like how the US gov calls everything terrorism :) ...its when you get so comfortable with euphemisms that you actually lose track of reality and this on a national level LOL... all wikileaks did was post the TRUTH ...if posting the truth about something, no matter how sensitive, is equated to terror then this is a very very sad government/country indeed...

    selling the documents for money is morally wrong he should have just dumped everything on the net for free... as for various political implications im all for exposure he should send that encryption keyring to everybody its healthy for the truth to come out... truth = freedom and anybody trying to hold back the truth is against freedom...
     
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  6. Bushranger

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    Yeah well, let's not let the truth get in the way of living your lives, what are you trying to hide? How can you not stand up for truth yet hope to retain any legitamacy for the rest of your arguments? Build it all on truth and you will be in heaven.

    If you need to hide the truth and that means harm Assange, then it's patently obvious that words won't do the trick. I think the new wave of political and upper echelon assassinations will make even bigger headlines until one day the truth will win out anyway. Wikileaks opens up a rebelious streak within many, I predict your President will die within weeks of Assange.

    Now we know with Obamanation, there's most likely a trick to his stance, but with you I can't work it out unless of course you're hoping to bring forward the apocolypse. Maybe that's Obamanation's trick here, he's probably shooting Assange down because he knows what it's going to lead to. In reality he probably truly loves Assange and his ideals but has a bigger end goal of anarchy, and of getting others to do his wishes.

    Julian's last words to the press are: Here
     
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  7. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    You know you are in trouble when AtvKing is rushing to your aid. I suspect Hitler will rise from the dead next and speak in Assange's defense.

    @Bushranger: Nothing in your open letter indicates any of those people would not support a US trial of Assange for Espionage. They are simply asking your government to condemn the calls for his death by so many people world wide. You know its bad when Sweeden is issuing extradition papers on what appear to be trumped up rape charges. It looks like the weasel has run out of hiding spots. Perhaps he should have caught the first flight to Afghanistan. I find it interesting that such an apparently smart guy was unable to recognize the difference between whistle blowing and espionage.

    On a side note, glad to see your skepticism. Couple that with an open mind and some self education, and I'm sure we will get along famously.
     
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  8. Bushranger

    Bushranger Notable Member

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    I 100% concur, although the fact that USA is bending over backwards trying to find a law he's broken, says that's not warranted yet.

    The calls for, "if he hasn't broken any laws then change the laws" is extremely sus, and not one that any of those same people would support.

    Damn, I thought we did already :)
     
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    i did not rush to anybodys defence ... was just pointing out how the US gov and its supporters have a HUGE problem with the TRUTH .... H U G E P R O B L E M ... the truth is not a nice place for people who are less than honest :) ... such people will not stay on topic (like obamanation) but will squirm and amuse me with their lack of any real arguments as to why the truth is such a bad thing to say... how ever we look at this all wikileas did was SPILL THE TRUTH ...

    TRUTH and freedom of speech are the enemy of all repressive governments...
     
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    I guess that's why every government in the world has a Secret Service .
     
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    jahangir Peon

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    I hope wikileaks will get enough help from all over the world.
     
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    Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths

    Surely you're embarrassing yourselves supporting the wrong team by now. What I find funny is you're openly arguing 'everybody's corrupt so let it be' rather than see we have a problem because we're all built on lies so let's try fix it by putting out the truth.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #33
    If that were truly the argument being made, would it be reasonable to say your counter argument is, "everyone is not corrupt so there is no need for secrecy"? You need to wake up and smell the human imperfection.

    You are confused. The issue here is not one of lies, its one of secrecy. If someone were to report on every last dirty little secret you have, you would call it invasion of privacy. When you look at it that way, you will see your hypocrisy.
     
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    #34
    invasion of privacy is an individuals right but there is no "invasion" of privacy against aggressive governments who bomb and murder and lie and make up silly excuses about it... this is what one may call the fight against evil... if you take guns and bombs to other peoples countries and homes privacy is something you certainly dont deserve... secrecy about underhand operations are only in the interest of evil people :)
     
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    So you are saying Iraq had it coming? Yay! We agree on something!
     
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    #36
    Assange for some reason chooses to act the role of "hero of truth". His actions remind me of the person who exposed the emails in the "climategate" scandal. But that person chose to remain anonymous. He ( or she ) got no glory for exposing the blatant, willful errors of the IPCC. Assange needs help now that he chose to become a "star". He wound up in custody, now what ?
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Whatever the future holds for Assange, I suspect it is more likely to involve intimacy with a guy named 'Bubba" than banging Sweedish hotties without a condom.
     
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    #38
    No the counter argument would be "public officials, that are paid by the taxpayer should be 100% accountable to what's being done in our name".

    Wikileaks does not go after individuals. They don't want to know if you're having it off with the neighbours son. It's only when your actions are affecting everyone, such as the big banking release coming out soon. Wouldn't you like to know the real reason for those scanners, especially when you're paying everyone involved to put them there, and you're paying well above award wages to do that?

    It's one of lies. When you tell us one thing but behind the scenes do the opposite, that's called a lie.

    Wikileaks itself didn't steal these documents, all it does it check to ensure their authenticity and then makes them available to the world.
     
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    Sorry, but that is not the counter argument to your assertion of what my argument is. Try again.

    Even your bogus counter argument here has holes. Corporate executives should be 100% accountable to the share holders, but there doesn't exist an intelligent shareholder on the planet that wants the trade secrets of the company he is invested in disclosed to the public.


    Very few of the leaked documents exposed lies. They exposed the personal assessments of our government's leadership and analysts of foreign leaders and the goings on in foreign countries. They exposed the names of Afghanis cooperating with the US in Afghanistan. Those disclosures had absolutely NOTHING to do with exposing lies, and EVERYTHING to do with causing harm to the US.

    You'll find the distribution of child pornography will land you in jail, regardless of whether or not you filmed it yourself.
     
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    Linking truth to child pornography, I have a feeling you're one of those with much to lose once the world of truth is known.

    Every news story has a source and the sauciest stories are usually from within. Now that somebody made those documents available wikileaks is doing nothing every reporter or any newspaper doesn't do, that is simply passing on information given to them by a whistle-blower. By denying them the right to pass on the information that was given to them, you're denying the very foundation of real news.

    You certainly can't complain when your papers are full of spin, because you think having a wiki you can refer to for final absolute truths obviously hurts you too much.

    [video=youtube;Uxr0N76UXJU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxr0N76UXJU&feature=player_profilepage[/video]
     
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