Wich factors determine the LLLL.com appraisal?

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    Wich factors determine the LLLL.com appraisal?
     
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    ryukenden Well-Known Member

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    If your domain include "a,e,i,o,u" , then it could get more. Now all 4 letter domains had gone and therefore their value will increase with time.
     
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    frustik Well-Known Member

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    I mean pronunciable domain like example: yruq.com

    if i buy now a domain like that, you suggest me to resell next year? of how much could increase it value
     
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    right now, even tho all llll.coms are gone , most names are reslling for pretty low=
    yruq, to the very picky, has 3 bad letters- y,u, and q-
    names like this are reselling for 15-25 bucks right now
     
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  5. smashfactory

    smashfactory Peon

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    this might help- it is long but good and written by lorenzo from np:

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    "The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


    I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

    Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

    Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

    For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

    http://www.namepros.com/domain-name...ort-thread.html

    I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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    A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

    EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

    There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...1QQcmdZViewItem


    Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

    ZAYM.com $201

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1

    Double letters such as:

    GXXH.com
    ZZDC.com
    FYYT.com
    DRQQ.com

    I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


    XSXT.com $20.50

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1



    Triple bad letters such as:

    QQQD.com
    FZZZ.com
    RXXX.com
    YYYG.com

    I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


    Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

    FGZS.com
    EYDF.com
    PXSE.com
    TFQG.com

    These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


    UPDATED:

    SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


    http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...1QQcmdZViewItem

    http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...1QQcmdZViewItem

    UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

    ZATB.com $12.49

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1

    RLYN.com $36

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    RBYK.com $29.99

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    HRHY.com $30.80

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    YATG.com $23.95

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    a double letter with 1 bad letter :

    IIZP.com $42

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1




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    Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

    These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
    Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

    FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

    http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...at-4letter.html

    It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



    There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...1QQcmdZViewItem


    UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

    Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

    DPTU.com $54.51 now

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    RWEO.com $78.00

    http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...1QQcmdZViewItem


    The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

    The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

    J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

    RCEJ.com $30

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

    GJJA.com
    FVVO.com
    KKTR.com

    I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


    FNKK.com $52

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1

    2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...1QQcmdZViewItem

    VDUZ.com $26

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    WPEJ.com $23.15

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    With 3 of them , like :

    GJJJ.com
    FVVV.com
    KKKT.com

    I`d say $100 -$150

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    Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



    Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

    I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
    So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
    At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

    If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

    SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

    3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500



    SPECIALS


    Anything like this is an added value.

    In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

    - IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

    - MY

    Examples:

    IMYO.com $449

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1

    BMMY.com $350

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=


    HFMY.com $37.50

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    - UK

    UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

    - DE

    - US

    - CA

    - OZ (Australia)

    - NZ (new Zealand)

    - GO

    - HI

    Examples:

    HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1

    - OK

    - KG

    - CV (Curriculum Vitae)

    - DR (Doctor)

    - DJ

    Examples:

    DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

    Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

    The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

    Other nice letters are:

    C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

    The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


    Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
    There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

    Some recent examples:

    OEOV.com $56

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    EOAJ.com $52

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    CVCV & VCVC

    Let`s start from the TOP this time:

    CVCV.com

    all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

    minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


    CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

    CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

    CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

    about $300

    It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

    CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

    CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

    CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



    Now let`s see the VCVC.com

    all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

    VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

    VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

    VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

    VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

    VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



    I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

    The first recent example is this one:

    OGYZ.com $57.99

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...y0=&fvi=1


    I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


    SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:



    SEDO.com

    Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

    UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

    zekh.com $120

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=

    zeow.com $300

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=

    ucnk.com $120

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=

    ahlq.com $243

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=


    hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=


    jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=

    yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

    http://sedo.com/auction/auction_det...ked=&partnerid=
     
    smashfactory, Nov 29, 2007 IP
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    This is true and the good letters make them more valuable.
     
    stock_post, Nov 29, 2007 IP