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Why You Should Not Use Blackhat Seo

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by blogspot, Jul 3, 2008.

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    Black Hat search engine optimization is customarily defined as techniques that are used to get higher search rankings in an unethical manner. These black hat SEO techniques usually include one or more of the following characteristics:

    breaks search engine rules and regulations creates a poor user experience directly because of the black hat SEO techniques utilized on the Web site
    unethically presents content in a different visual or non-visual way to search engine spiders and search engine users.
    These black hat SEO practices will actually provide short-term gains in terms of rankings, but if you are discovered utilizing these spammy techniques on your Web site, you run the risk of being penalized by search engines. Black hat SEO basically is a short-sighted solution to a long-term problem, which is creating a Web site that provides both a great user experience and all that goes with that.

    Avoid this Black Hat SEO techniques :

    1. Keyword stuffing: Packing long lists of keywords and nothing else onto your site will get you penalized eventually by search engines
    2. Invisible text: This is putting lists of keywords in white text on a white background in hopes of attracting more search engine spiders.
    Doorway Pages: A doorway page is basically a “fake” page that the user will never see. It is purely for search engine spiders, and attempts to trick them into indexing the site higher

    Black Hat SEO is tempting; after all, these tricks actually do work, temporarily. They do end up getting sites higher search rankings; that is, until these same sites get banned for using unethical practices. It’s just not worth the risk. Use efficient search engine optimization techniques to get your site ranked higher, and stay away from anything that even looks like Black Hat SEO



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  2. lifeAfterEbay

    lifeAfterEbay Peon

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    If you want to rely on Google for your SEO efforts stay as far away from Black Hat Crap as possible, if the site you are considering switching over to the dark side is of any long term importance to you - Stay with legit and proven on and off page SEO which always works in the long run.

    Just my 2 cents
     
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  3. Tobidotman

    Tobidotman Peon

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    the methods of blackhat you have described are soooo old, i don't think any serious blackhatters are using those methods anymore.
    Blackhat can bring in loads of money in a short amount of time but doesn't last if you're in it for the long term. It also isn't ethical as it provides a bad user experience.
     
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  4. xmcp123

    xmcp123 Peon

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    If I wanted to read wikipedia I would. That's hopelessly outdated. Actual blackhat is a business model, not just a promotion method(though the promotion methods are much more technical than what you mentioned). For example if you have 500 autogenerated sites that can make 50 cents a day each(which isn't much) and are using a domain you got for 0.99 and are running on a $30 VPS, congrats. If you can keep those sites alive for a month you're sitting on some nice profit.
    Either way, if you're trying to rank for anything more competitive than a longtail term, you should prepare to at least put a gray hat on because you're not going anywhere otherwise.
    It not providing a good user experience is FUD on the part of Google. Not all do. But many do.
    For example my blackhat sites(there's more than a few out there) read in the users query, compare the keywords to a list of products, and sort out where to redirect the user from there.
    So let's say it's a webhosting one. The user searches for "10gb bandwidth shared server with unlimited mysql".
    bandwidth would flag in the system.
    shared server would flag.
    mysql would flag.
    And they would end up being redirected(through an aff link of course) to a web hosting company that has shared servers wtih an exceptional amount of bandwidth and mysql has support.
    Not a bad user experience, eh?

    Oh yeah. and if blackhat techniques are so evil, can I ask everyone why YouTube cloaks?
     
    xmcp123, Jul 3, 2008 IP
  5. thunderbolt007

    thunderbolt007 Active Member

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    There's a simple answer for that..


    Black Hat Seo - Good for short term only, when detected forever lost...

    White Hat - Almost a lifetime...:D

    Cheers...
     
    thunderbolt007, Jul 3, 2008 IP
  6. Stryder

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    Well all the reasons that have been presented are equally applicable in scenarios when major search engines update their algorithms. A lot of white hat sites lose traffic when these updates happen. Their fault? Well, the search engines decided to change rules and a lot of those who were playing by the rules till date suddenly find themselves on the other side.

    The way I look at it is if you completely abide by these search engine rules, you better be a huge site or be prepared to get screwed at the time of the next update.

    And what is black hat? It's methods that the SEARCH ENGINES don't agree with. Well, the search engines don't agree with their own rules after a while. Would you stop doing white hat?
     
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  7. xmcp123

    xmcp123 Peon

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    Tell that to the many whitehats that have been banned and penalized because Google decided they weren't quiteee good enough or better yet because they changed the rules mid game.
    Think about it. Whenever there's a big algo update, who do you hear whining about sites being lost?
    Hint: They're not blackhats.

    The big sites get away with whatever they want. Google doesn't care about a level playing field, so I level it for them.
     
    xmcp123, Jul 3, 2008 IP
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    real blackhats operate in secret and never boast at all on line, they may boast about their earnings in casinos or hotels or bars with the girls, but never online. Why would you give away your moolah earning technique away to the greater populos?

    just my 2 cents.

    I frequent casinos and hotels and the chics dig me, I talk blackhat daily with my blackhat friends in the beach. I never spill any blackhat method I know of to anyone in the net
     
    MRniceGuy007, Jul 3, 2008 IP
  9. Stryder

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    It's not just blackhats .. Anyone making money online will never discuss the REAL method he/she uses. It's just too competitive and once a method is shared, it's best to consider it dead ..
     
    Stryder, Jul 3, 2008 IP
  10. xmcp123

    xmcp123 Peon

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    There's a difference between talking in general about a subject in depth.
    There ARE functional bh seo messageboards, and it's the same way. People will mention things in generalities. Things that bumped conversions.
    But where they're getting their links? No.
    How they're generating their content/templates? No.
    Copies of their bot lists? No.
    There's a difference between sensitive information and not. Just because your hat isn't a pristine white doesn't mean you need to be an SEO hermit.
    That said, lately I've been tending more towards the dark gray area, so I'm a bit more vocal than normal.

    It's not like the damn mafia or something.
     
    xmcp123, Jul 3, 2008 IP
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    Blackhat is very easy for search engines to detect. As have said above, It's a forever LOST!
    Cloaking is another example of black hat seo.
     
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    delhidon Banned

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    Black hat seo is very dangerous and we should not use this type of techniques. Search engines can detect it very soon. You didn't mention about cloaking. It is also a black hat seo technique and mosaic cloaking is a new technique used by the the seo for high ranking.
     
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    They can detect it only if someone is not good at covering up...
     
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    Need instant ranking or traffic in short terms then black hat is perfect for you
     
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    the methods you describe are so far from blackhat seo these days it's a joke.

    you really should do your research a bit more thoroughly before posting about very amateur tricks from the late 90's and expecting anyone would visit your blog because of your amazing insight into the world of blackhat seo :rolleyes:
     
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    yes i agree with u...
     
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    I'm in total agreement with Shady with everything he has said.

    Todays blackhat is tomorrows white hat.

    If it wasn't for BH the search engines would not be no where near as advanced as they are today. Not even close.

    It's black hatters that push the software engineers and keep them on their toes.

    Black hat can be just as good as white hat, if not better.

    As for all this short term long term crap, it's because the people that get caught in a short amount of time that don't know what they are doing.

    If your good, you'll never get caught ;)

    Mastermind Chess player springs to mind.

    KP
     
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    if you want rank in short term then good technique for you, if you want long time exist in word wide then white hat techniques so prefer white hat techniques for SEO Google love W.H.T.
     
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    No, amateurs are easy for the search engines to detect. Google is not near as advanced in that regard as they'd like people to believe.
    If you're cloaking based on something like User-Agent, yeah. You're gonna get caught. If you have a decent list of crawlers, some bot traps, and a way or two to get rid of snoopers, you're pretty much fine.
    The chess example is one of the best examples I've ever heard to describe BH. Glad to see someone else on DP who doesn't fall for the propaganda.
    No, Google takes whitehat and changes the rules and smacks them down. It gives double standards to large sites to leverage them over smaller sites playing by the rules. The new york times. All the large dating sites. Hundreds of other big players. As mentioned above, EVEN YOUTUBE CLOAKS.
    If Google themselves(owners of youtube) are cloaking, what does that say for their faith in WH techniques?
     
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    depends what you define as blackhat, because SEO really is SEO. You're immediately going into grey when you start trying to build links to your site. Does Google know the intention? No, and how can it? In the end, you're trying to influence the index and tell Google that your website is the most authoritative on the search string. I agree with xmcp123 and I regularly read his blog (which rocks by the way) that its rules for one and rules for the other. Look at the way BMW got re-included when they got caught cloaking. The debate is a joke and to me SEO is just SEO.
     
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