Or else what? What will happen if I don't say this?? So. You want me to clarify my views exactly set out according to your desires and according to how you view my views? I think I make myself very clear thank you. Again, I am not interested in how other people treat their doctrines and how they represent themselves. Is there a Union running how this is to be done or what? I don't think so. No need to feel sorry for me. If you knew me, you would know I am very happy. I can't think for myself? How would you know? Exactly what do my parents have to do with what I believe, and what did they do that I should be ashamed of? Sounds like you think you know more about me than I do....LOL Can't see what your point is. Can you elaborate please? Or be a little clearer? Col Do I have to?
well, IMHO after reading this thread, i want to tell you guys that GOD pretty much exists, but BIBLE is shit! All stories are made up in that! I know coz i read it. It doesnt give you any meaning/purpose to ur life. I recently started looking into other religions and i have found my belief in hinduism, especially some religion similar to hindusim from south india. My family has been converted from hindu to christianity long back, and people surrounding me are hindus, and i pretty much participate in their festivals/etc., Anyways, to answer the question asked in this thread: God CAN CURE an amputee, its a matter of faith! This is not a laughing matter. I have seen miracle in front of my eyes. There IS really superior knowledge that we dont know of. But its sad to see internet has become a secret gateway for people with no friggin mind. There are so many people with no idea of their lifes, gay people, pedophiles, etc., are growing in numbers because of this INTERNET! internet is giving TOO much exposure to kids, adults alike and people are losing their religion/god. I hope god ENDS it. Namaste!
ok, i dont wanna hack into the thread but I would like to invite all the "christians" to check this thread out (I started it) take Ur Bible (any version) http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=435086 The debate can be held in both places.
God is NOT in charge of THIS system... Satan is! He will NOT interfer with Satan's plans to prove God wrong (the original challenge was that Satan tried to make point that man could gouvern himself without the need for God and that God did not have the "right" to be ruling over his creatures and creations) 1 John 5:19
Dude, how can somebody be NOT innocent when they only get born ? How the hell are you supposed to obey someone's laws if your a couple of minutes old ?
The answer is easy: either 1) God does not exist or 2) God does exist and we should not question or attempt to find reason in the choices of God. I've made my choice, and I'm at relative peace because I don't care what choice anyone else has made.
Maybe because God is just like the tooth fairy, easter bunny or santa claus... a figure of your imagination
SEO, Your posts is everything I know about you and they give me nothing but an image of a nice person. However, do you really think that what you are saying makes sense? Because for many people, it does not, and not because they do not want to see the light or truth as some may say. I would love to believe in a religion, afterlife, and justice. Nothing proves any of this exists. Trust me, I would love to know that there is something afterwards. I would love to know those who get killed, who are born disabled, or whose heads are cut brutally will be compensated. The only problem I have is that nothing proves any of this. Nothing makes sense. I believe there is/was a God that started all this. I do not believe in any religion because not a single one makes sense to me. You say God let us, human beings who have feelings, suffer for millions of years because he wanted to prove someone (Satan) wrong. Or because a dumb couple felt like a fruit they should have not desired. God lets people get beheaded everyday in a country like mine (Iraq,) cares not about children being born with disabilities that make their entire life a true hell, and make millions suffer every year just to prove Satan wrong or punish that dumb couple. How is that for a supposedly loving God? I would think it is not that bad if there really were an after life where the poor and suppressed get compensated. Things could work this way. But aside from a 2000-year-old book that you should have faith in to believe what it tells (because it would not make sense at all if you were actually to think about some of its content,) what guarantees that there is an afterlife? Why so vague? That is not testing, that is intentionally forcing you to miserably fail. You see, I believe the God who created this universe and everything we know is powerful. We are nothing. If he is still alive and is the all powerful ''thing'' that religions say he is, then he is definitely not loving, caring, generous, or just. It just sounds barbaric that you get someone's dad beheaded, get millions of families destroyed every year (even faithful ones,) and keep messing up the lives of billions and billions of people who have feelings for millions of years just because you can. I would believe religions if they didn't aysee God is the loving, just, and generous father. I would accept it and work for it if Christianity told me you're just a toy and God really likes making people and playing with them. Saying otherwise really reminds me of Saddam. He kept claiming to be the ''loving father'' of all Iraqis while he messed up and played with the lives of millions. Many religions say people would still not believe in the religion of God even if he showed them everything. Do you really think that at least 95% of people would not start following the religion of God right away if God gave clear answers? I left 5% because there is the disabled, the ridiculously unbelievably stupid, and some more. And still, it's God's fault those wouldn't understand. Let me know why it all makes sense and I can assure you I'll be following your religion. I need a guarantee that I currently do not have, but I am not willing to just have faith in something that does not make sense because I have to. Mody
those are not the same things. Cancer is a sickness, a disease, whatever you want to call it. Eventually, those are curable. Losing a leg or an arm is not a sickness, nor is it a disease. Furthermore, one could argue that if God cures 1 person's cancer, why not them all? My brother died when he was 24 of Lymphoma, why was he not cured when he was in his physical body?
If I ask God to win the lottery... I should not expect to win.. If I ask him for guidance, help, or just say thank you, I'm fairly confident he is listening.. Sometimes he sends things to try us... When we listen, then he listens. You'd be surprised how much more productive some amputees become following this philosophy.
I think what he was trying to say is that god, actually does answer prayers for the majority of people, by not amputating them in the first place. For example, god could make ground for war in a place where its people "don’t pray/worship him well", like in Afghanistan where an estimated 100000 people have fallen victim to landmines, a main cause of amputation.
Post of the year and an excellent mirror of my own beliefs. The problem with the question that you closed with is that, for those who subscribe to religion, the answer is faith. That's typically where these debates come to an end. Those who think like you and I have decided that, because there is zero proof, faith is simply a giant leap with no real basis. For people of religion, faith is the base.
I do understand your thinking behind this post. I too, thought this way for most of my life. I simply did not believe God is or could be behind the messy world we have to endure. Therefore, I did believe God could not be real, because why would he not fix mankind's problems? It took only an invitation to find out the answers to these questions I had for most of my life. It was only then, I found I was blinded and misled by the churches and what they did and what they taught. It was only then, I saw how if God had a group of people he blessed, you could see the reasons why he would bless them. I am not talking miracles and great powers. I am simply talking a 7 million strong united gathering of people from all walks of life, cultures, ages and backgrounds. I saw the love they have for each other. Not a false love either. A real love. Just as Jesus said "you should have love for your neighbour". This love should be ongoing and not temporary or just for show. This is the evidence I have that God is behind this. I have been in many places in this world and in many positions in corporations and companies. It sickens me how false people really can be and mostly for their own greed. 99% of the time, you are let down at some point or another. I just put it down to life and said "Oh well. You get that". I said that a LOT! You talk about clear answers. I have them now. However, it has taken years to find them. The Bible is a book of 66 little books. It's 6500 years of history, instructions and prophecy. It's not a book to be read once and understood. Read Proverbs 2:1-5 and Amos 3:7. Also, Daniel was told to seal the book up until it was time for understanding what he had written. The same for John and the Book of Revelation. John did not understand a lot of the things he saw and did not know what they meant. However, in due time, the understanding came. We now know more than ever before of God's purpose. Yes. Most have a blind faith, I agree. However, this is not the type of faith I have. Read my reply to save-a-family above. Col
1) God created mankind in the begining. 2) Satan caused Adam & Eve to sin and therefore become spiritually and genetically imperfect - being imperfect they eventually died and passed sin and genetic imperfection to all of their offspring, reaching all people down to this day. 3) Imperfection causes eventual death but it also causes things like cancer and other unpleasant diseases. It causes people to make mistakes like in road accidents which cause them to lose limbs; it causes them to be involved in wars with the risk of receiving death or other injuries; it causes them to produce things supposedly to benefit mankind that actually cause it harm eg thalidomide. Are these things Gods fault ... No! They are a consequence of mans disobedience to God, the same as a child who disobeys his parents and touches the kitchen hotplate - they get burned. 4) God could have brought the whole thing to an end with Adam & Eve, dumped Satan the deceiver and started all over again but that would not have resolved the issue that Satan raised in the Garden of Eden - that God was unworthy of being mankinds creator and that He was lying when he said that disobedience would lead to death. That issue could only be settled by the passage of time and by mankind trying all sorts of alternative government rather than God - the result? It doesn't work! 5) Is God an unloving ogre? No! He immediately set about reversing the damage, providing proof of what was the best for mankind and how matters could once and for all be rectified. He sent His Son Jesus to pay the ransom sacrifice and to show mankind that God has a time span to provide a new government that Christians have prayed for for years ... The Lord's Prayer (Thy Kingdom come ...). When on earth Jesus gave us a foregleam of what he, as King of that Kingdom, would accomplish when it was fully established over the earth. He fed the hungry, healed the sick and raised the dead and finally laid down his life for all who would exercise faith in him ... yes exercise faith ... something that some of you find so hard to comprehend. The evidence in the bible, from prophecy and from the creation around us is more than enough to enable any reasonable person to be able to exercise faith:- 6) It is not yet God's time to restore sight to individual blind people or to restore limbs to amputees, it is however His continuing time to have a message declared that shows people what they should do in order to receive the benefits of Christ's Kingdom rule, with all of the miraculous blessings for mankind on earth, including amputees, that it will bring.
Blasphemer!!! NOTHING is incurable by God!! And let's not say "one could argue". Let's just come out and say it. It seems you are afraid to do it directly. Because if you do then oops... it means you'd actually need an answer to it
Yes God answers prayers but not necessarily in the way we might think. We are currently in the final days of mankind's rulership of the earth (with Satan's help). 1John 5:19 states that the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. During this time God answers our prayers by helping us to get to know him and to live our lives in a way that mosts benefits us. But this is not yet the time for all the "works of the devil" (1John3:8) to be undone. That will take place after Satan has been abyssed (Revelation 20:1-3) and human rulership is a thing of the past. (Revelation 21:3,4) Then all the powerful works that Jesus showed he could perform (including the healing of amputees) will take place on a worldwide scale and will last forever instead of temporarily as it was when he was on earth.