why will religious fanatics never listen?

it seems to me that all three organised religions have problems with their hearing, especially when it comes to fanatics, they just will not listen.
they weigh in with well rehearsed arguments that have no foundation in fact and refuse to see that everything they say is shot through with holes.
of course indoctrination is to blame, but honestly do these people not sometimes wonder, question, doubt?
so come on those of you who have posted fanatical threads on this forum, it is time to fess up, in the deepest darkest night do you not see the rationality of someone elses argument but are just too pig headed to ever admit it?

 

Seems like you are more upset that those people are not agreeing with you... so I guess it works both ways.

 

In my opinion, some people just love to argue even if they know they are wrong!!

Also, people tend to get stuck saying the same ole tune when it comes to religion and what they need to do is do more reading and researching to find the truth!!

 

The problem with the religious isn't that they wont listen, It's that they can't listen. Unless of course it's someone saying what they already think, In that case they all just sit around nodding in agreement.

You can present all the evidence in the world to support something, But if it contradicts what is in their primitive fairy story they simply deny it. To us that makes them look like cretinous imbeciles, But to them they think it's a valid way to live.

 

well all organized religion is faith based. you have to remember that. However, I do see your point.

 

it is not that i want everyone to agree with me, i desperately want people to disagree, but in a sane rational fashion, giving intelligent reasons for their argument backed up by facts not fiction.
in uni i belonged to several debating clubs and loved every minute of it. but we all respected other people's opinions - as long as those opinons were not offensive to any one group - and we never quoted 'absolutes'.
it just disturbs me more than anything else when i come up against a religious fanatic who is so openly bigoted that it clouds their every judgement in life.
am just hoping that some of them on this forum are just 'wind-up' artists or playing the devils advocate for the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

 

It's a result of early conditioned learning. If you raised Catolic, Muslim, Atheist, or whatever, the chances are goo that you still will be one when you die. That's just the way a child's brain works

 

that is true of some people, but i have friends whose families brought them up to be jewish, catholic, muslim, or christian, and now they don't belong to any religion, mainly because they did start to question those 'absolutes' and found no answers, or were so disgusted by their families sticking to an intolerant religion that they gave up on it.

 

Well the chances are they went to public school and were sold on Darwinism, still at young age
Yes it happens that you overcome your early life beliefs, but it's not typical

 

none of my friends went to public schools - though in britain we call private schools 'public schools' and free ones 'state schools'.
we all went to state schools and were taught religious education alongside the sciences, which of course included the works of Darwin, but we were not overly interested in this, being more interested in physics.
but if you are implying that a good education, with a good grounding in science is somehow anti-religious and turns people against their families religion, again i cannot agree.
even Darwin was a religious man. the two should not be incompatible, or are they?

 

How can they be compatible? If Darwin was correct, Genesis is a fiction. Both can't be right

I should've said secular school rather than public school

 

I aree with demosfen, It's impossible to believe both creation and evolution.

 

Not impossible. You take parts of both sides and blend them. You don't have to go all in on either side to satisfy believing both. You can say God created it all, but then allowed evolution to take over from there. He kicked back and watched the show at that point.

 

oh dear, i think that even my religious friends do not believe that 'genesis' is actually a factual account of the beginning of the world, please don't say that by the same token you believe that adam and eve ever existed?
surely even to religious people these stories cannot seem anything more than that, stories. for of course when the old testament went to press originally not many people could read and the tradition of 'story telling' by the elders in order to get a particular point across to the younger generation was taken up by religious leaders.
so please do tell, what are your opinions of the 'big bang' theory?

 

I can't help but wonder, how is it any less illogical and fanatical to insist as fact that Adam and Eve never existed, then it is to cling to a religious upbringing? Whenever you think you know something for certain, to the exclusion of all other possibilities, you enter the realm of fanaticism.

 

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Soylent Green is People.

We can all agree on that.

Who's up for some biblical Cannibalism?

 

Creation doesn't say that though. Creation says god created everything as it is, Evolution says the exact opposite.

 

In my mind there is little doubt that Genesis is historically accurate, but it has nothing to do with why people believe in God. Most Christians haven't even read Bible! They'll probably just waive their hands if you start asking them questions. That's what religion is all about

 

You mean I can subvert and control people by making them believe in a false god with a huge book and hand waving? Sign me up!

 

well, it seems pretty clear that those who believe in creation as outlined in genesis are ever going to be convinced by hard scientific facts, but thanks for your input, it has been quite fascinating.
the upshot of this debate is in my opinion that different nations have a different take on religion and science. here in britain there is no big debate as to whether teaching darwinism in schools is correct, christian groups over here have long since reconciled themselves to the idea that if god can create the world it is also within the realms of possibility that he created evolution, and that he was probably even behind the 'big bang'.
even the archbishop of canterbury would not dispute darwins claims.
but then i believe there are many more - how shall i put this - strict-by-the- book christians living in the US. and the whole religion thing is much more important over there.