I'm sure everyone can learn a lot from this. This is a conversation yesterday I had with Biggy Bop. Enjoy! The conversation
I am also sure everyone could learn a lot from this. However, I see it all from a slightly different perspective. I hope my comments are useful to both of you - Please open the appended conversation to see them. I point out - an NDA also does very little or nothing to convey exclusive rights to perform some method/business. http://integrityip.com/docs/fight5.jpg
You can't patent an idea, AFAIK. Unless you really do have the resources and will to sue this nasty little man, your only real option is to reveal the idea here and now, which will spoil his free run at it. He's sh*t on you, sh*t right back. Hell, If it's THAT good an idea, you can give him a zillion competitors before he even launches, and YOU will get credit for coming up with the idea.
your friend seems to think its a 2k business plan. And you seem to think it isn't worth anything (otherwise you'd be hiring a lawyer, not bleating on a forum).
You are an idiot, Contestboss. You cannot sue someone who lives across the world from you. Are you suggesting that I sell all of my stuff, my house, my car, hire a lawyer to find some guy? Seriously, get a clue. I read through your view on everything. The true is obviously no one can patent anything considering it costs $250,000 to actually do that and all they need is a curve and its a new idea. There is basically nothing I can do except complain. I couldn't even destroy his reputation online since there are more scammers than honest people in business online. He's just fitting in.
True enough, it is expensive for a good one. About $10K - not $250K. But you are wrong about a 'curve and new idea'. Ask BlackBerry. Why didn't they just make a curve and a new idea? Blackberry paid 612.5 Million. The reason they didn't just make a new idea and small - is because the patent covered a braod range of e-mail on cell phones. In almost every case, you can prepare the patnet broad - or narrow. Narrow means it is easy to step around. Broad is harder to prepare.
This isn't a very interesting business model. I think there are many things you can do other than complain. Go make a bigger better business than him. Why not?
Thank you for that, Laceypants. I start to see why the other fella isn't really bothered about 'upsetting your feelings'. doh. Yes you can. Even my cat knows that. nope. Your house wouldn't fetch more than a few dollars anyway - the bottom fell out of the shanty town market in your neck of the woods last year, when all the redneck abandoned it. And as for your car - 20 year old Fords made of rust don't have much resale value. Maybe you can sell some of your food stamps. What I was trying to do was offer the only possible way of hitting back at the person who you are having your little hissy fit with - the suggestion would have ruined his chances of success from stealing your idea. OK, so you wouldn't win, but at least he wouldn't either. Frankly, this is a non-conversation. You don't have a million dollar idea, so you are wasting your time complaining here. Anything that can be replicated for 2k isn't likely to be a 'million dollar idea'.
This topic is not to get advice. I don't need anybody's dumb advice. Contentboss, the only reason you are here is because you are just some scammer and you are just sticking with your crowd. Really? Maybe you should ask the owner who stole the original business plan of fiverr from me. I bet he would think differently.
If you had a pile of gold worth $1 million - would you put a $10,000 fence around it? If you don't put a fence around it - I am sure someone will take it. Me; I'd put a $10,000 fence and a $10,000 armed guard. You can do what you want with your million dollar ideas. But I can't see complaning that someone took your $1million when you don't bother to protect it in anyway. This is the real world. If you leave things unprotected, people are going to take them. It's a shame, it's not right, it's unfair, but that is reality. That is why your caring goverment made a patent office - to help those who make great ideas and don't like others from taking them.
He can think whatever he wants, but this thinking will not exclude him from answering to the high court. Let me tell you, they stop thinking these things once a 21 day summons shows up in their mailbox.
Did you just say "you can't complain if you didn't protect it". For starters, a patent will not protect it because like I said: one little change and its something else. And I can complain and I have a right to. Someone steals your car and you used an immobilizer but he just found a way anyway. "You can't complain".... Someone stabs a family member because the lock on your door was not strong enough. "You can't complain".... No, you can complain. The court system does not work that way. The way it works is if you are extremely rich than they make it cost so much to sue that you go broke before and walk off. Ask Shawn Hogan. He was sued by Universal studio's or something like that.
This is simply not true. An 'ol wives tale' at best. A well written patent stands up strong against all variations. Ask Amazon single click; Monsanto Round-up corn; RIMM's Blackberry patents. These stood up against armies of clever people who had lost of money. Why couldn't they just make one slight change? Because the patent was nicely prepared to include all variations. Well, to be sure, you can complain all you like. I am just not sure that is going to get your million dollars back. You can keep trying - I sure won't be the one to stop you! I am just trying to tell you how million dollar ideas are protected. As for you not being rich, most patents are paid for by people other than the inventor. An inventor typically tells investors about how this million can be made - and the investors pay for the patents. Now, there are 1000 crazy inventors telling about their crazy ideas to investors - so it might be difficult to find one to listen. I am not saying that part is easy. But, if your idea REALLY is $1million, then you should be able to get someone excited enough to put up the money for protection. To say, no protection exists - is flat wrong.
You cannot talk about blackberry Patents, because they are a zillion dollars, and yes companies still make phones that are not blackberry's. I'm not trying to get anything back, and I don't want advice on how to protect anything. I want to complain.
Yeah, I get that feeling. But there are others in this forum who might find that advice useful. Complain away! It's free and you won't have to spend any of those millions you didn't earn from patents you don't have. When you do want to protect something, feel free to mention it to me and I'll try my best to explain how to stop those damn theives.
They're some very nice edited screenshots, Lacey. I love your GFX skills. Wait until I'm not on a Uni computer later tonight... Then we'll see the real conversation, won't we dear? And yes, you told me your idea. And yes, I said it's a very good idea. And yes, I asked if you'd be willing to come in on a deal on the idea. And yes, you said no. And yes, I said I may do it anyway, do you have any patents or other legal documents for this being your own idea. And your response? Something along the lines of "my own ideas are copyrighted automatically". Lol. And yes guys. This is a genius idea. Absolutely bloomin' genius. And something which deals in a very popular niche, but is organized in such a unique way that it makes the idea a multi-million business if run right. So thanks, Lacey. Your lies will come out in the end.