Why the "prophet" Muhammad never learned the alphabet? Even fools know it ...

Huh sickening reply.. You just bumped on a brick wall dude.. everyone knows how to differentiate a kid born in a wrong environment and a true writing of Quran

 

I can't follow your line of thinking with the science book...

what are you saying?

please re-read all of our recent 10 posts. I always talk about the book, about education, about myself, and more. you always talk about me. your book does too. You never tackle the words specifically in your book which I refer to and suggest some kind of explanation except "he is almighty god".
This is a low philosophical level, and now I will talk about you for the first time:
You are a reflection of the violence of your book - even when you are having a conversation you are violent.

 

WRONG ENVIRONMENT?
Jordan is the one of the most advanced liberal muslim countries. In all others, the situation is worse. In SA women are not allowed to drive. EDUCATION is not something people cherish there. They cherish only the violent book - and that's why.

 

I gave you an example of a kid with his science book and the way you approach Quran from just reading its first few pages.. So what are you so different than that kid then.. no different.. so unless you change your attitude towards the exact way of learning, then it's pointless talking to you..

Because you are just happy with "your video game"

 

Similarly in US, where so many criminal cases, so many babies were born without a father, so many gays, so many family problems.. so was that due to the teaching of Bible too... similarly in any countries, that include your Israel..

 

Ohh... I see ... good example then!
Indeed, if I open a science book and in the first page I read: "if an apple falls on the floor it becomes blue", since I know from so many sources and life experience that this is wrong, I close the book and throw it to the garbage.
When I opened the quran and I read that "the unbelievers have a disease in their heart", since I really know that the nice people of thailand, spain, uruguay, japan, and australia DO NOT have a disease in their heart, I close the book, and throw it to the garbage.

 

And yet millions of muslims would kill to be allowed to live there. To practice the quran there, not at home. Europe is soon 10% muslim because the life in the countries of Islam is so great.

 

huh... because you already knew that "if an apple falls on the floor it will never becomes blue". But if it says that "water can be used to fuel a rocket" when everyone knows that it can't, then definitely you will want to know more..

See... you are not judging a book from the the first few pages, but you are judging it base on what you want to believe... that clearly shows how lack of knowledge and logic you are.. work harder next time dude...

 

Well..Mr. "knowledge and logic", it did not say "water can be used to fuel a rocket". That would have been interesting, I would have kept reading. It said "if an apple falls on the floor it becomes blue". I know that the people of japan do not have a disease in their heart. Maybe those who say they have, they have a disease in the brain? I KNOW that this is a horrible, untrue thing to say. I can't trust anything else in the book, so it ended up in my garbage bin. (and I didn't even get to the part where it is ordered that these people are to be killed........)

 

hahah.. what a joke.. most of us are just happy at where we are now dude.. instead your people who converts to Islam, more and more everyday.. I've even seen a Jews converts and yet staying in Israel.. so... as I said, you are just a type of person with lack of logic.. go and study more, before confronting with us.. you are just making fool of yourself dude..

 

I am the fool. I guess the dozens of millions of muslims who stand in the line for a EU,US,CA,AU visa is a product of my imagination.
The truth is actually that there are million of americans and british just dying to convert to Islam and to be allowed to live in Egypt Saudi Arabia and Iran, just like you said. How could I have such a twisted view of the World? We are talking about MILLIONS! Please forgive me Mr. Knowledge and Logic.
Thank you for talking about me again, its much easier than talking about your book, I know.

Do you think that you are capable of talking about the book, saying something deeper than "the words are great" and "allahu ackbar"?
Start by trying to explain why it says that "they have a disease in their heart".

 

This will be my last words for you kid... do not make a fool of your self.. if you a Jews as portrayed in your origin, you are just making Jews people looks so stupid.. when they are not.. I have many Jews people as my friend and yet they're as open minded as mine..

I'm not going to waste another minute of mine with you.. unless you come out with a strong point to support the main topic, I will let you carry on with your mumblings..

God bless..

 

Every post of yours is more and more horrible. But this time you topped yourself.
The people who educate in your country should be put behind bars.
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But its a sweet victory, you just take off. I didn't even imagine you will address my questions, its ok. After all, there is a disease in my heart, as you said.

 

The reason why I talked more about you was because, even after I posted the whole sentence from the Quran, to explain the meaning of those points you posted, you still posting your stupid question and making fun of it.

So that was why I then understood that, the main problem was not on the description and the meaning in that surah, but rather your attitude.. you have an attitude problem kid.. your mind is already been set to hate Islam, to hate the Quran, to hate the Muslims.. that was the biggest problem you have..

So that was why again and again I urged you to read & study the Quran in order for you to understand it..

Similarly if you heard me saying "You are just a fool", you would be mad. But I don't think you will if you heard me saying the whole words.. "You are just a fool if you believe that fish can fly".. now can you see that how important it is to read and understand everything clearly before making any comments.. don't just plug any part that you like and making it a big issue.. that is not wise..

So now do you understand why we have all those arguments... again I repeat, it's all about your attitude.. with that kind of attitude, we will never come up with any conclusion.. that was why I said you were just making fool of yourself dude..

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Huh I guess now your so called "sweet victory" isn't that sweet anymore huh ...

 

Well.. I can't understand how my problem with sentence "there is a disease in their hearts" is solved if you post all of the Surah. Please explain better what I should understand from reading the whole Surah. I just do not understand how this answers my question. Did I miss anything in the context? it was said in humor and the whole surah is actually a praise song for the unbelievers?
My question again:
Why did the author of the quran, let it be god for a moment, said such a sentence which is against everything I believe in and was educated to believe in? (=foolish me was educated that people who just do not share my beliefs don't "have a disease in their heart")
Explain me how reading the whole Surah resolves my question.
Good attitude, no? I am really trying to understand. please help. If you find it hard to answer I can ask a simpler question.

 

Good... now to understand more regarding the meaning behind that sentence ("there is a disease in their hearts") we need to know about the historical background of the whole surah.

And to tell that in a much better ways, I'll quote from Syed Maududi's commentary for that surah:

1) At Makkah the Quran generally addressed the mushrik Quraish who were ignorant of Islam, but at Al- Madinah it was also concerned with the Jews who were acquainted with the creed of the Unity of Allah, Prophethood, Revelation, the Hereafter and angels. They also professed to believe in the law which was revealed by Allah to their Prophet Moses (Allah's peace be upon him), and in principle, their way was the same (Islam) that was being taught by Prophet Muhammad (Allah's peace be upon him). But they had strayed away from it during the centuries of degeneration and had adopted many un- Islamic creeds, rites and customs of which there was no mention and for which there was no sanction in the Torah. Not only this : they had tampered with the Torah by inserting their own explanations and interpretations into its text. They had distorted even that part of the Word of God which had remained intact in their Scriptures and taken out of it the real spirit of true religion and were now clinging to a lifeless frame of rituals. Consequently their beliefs, their morals and their conduct had gone to the lowest depths of degeneration. The pity is that they were not only satisfied with their condition but loved to cling to it. Besides this, they had no intention or inclination to accept any kind of reform. So they became bitter enemies of those who came to teach them the Right Way and did their worst to defeat every such effort. Though they were originally Muslims, they had swerved from the real Islam and made innovations and alterations in it and had fallen victims to hair splitting and sectarianism. They had forgotten and forsaken Allah and begun to serve mammon. So much so that they had even given up their original name "Muslim" and adopted the name "Jew" instead, and made religion the sole monopoly of the children of Israel.

This was their religious condition when the Holy Prophet went to Al-Madinah and invited the Jews to the true religion. That is why more than one third of this Surah has been addressed to the children of Israel. A critical review of their history, their moral degeneration and their religious perversions has been made; side by side with this the high standard of morality and the fundamental principles of the pure religion have been put forward in order to bring out clearly the nature of the degeneration of the community of a prophet when it goes astray and to draw clear lines of demarcation between real piety and formalism, and the essentials and non-essentials of the true religion.

2) At Makkah Islam was mainly concerned with the propagation of its fundamental principles and the moral training of its followers. But after the migration of the Holy Prophet to Al-Madinah, where Muslims had come to settle from all over Arabia and where a tiny Islamic State had been set up with the help of the Ansar (local supporters), naturally the Quran had to turn its attention to the social, cultural, economic, political and legal problems as well. This accounts for the difference between the themes of the surahs revealed at Makkah and those at Al- Madinah. Accordingly about half of this Surah deals with those principles and regulations which are essential for the integration and solidarity of a community and for the solution of its problems.

3) After the migration to Al-Madinah, the struggle between Islam and un-Islam had also entered a new phase. Before this the Believers, who propagated Islam among their own clans and tribes, had to face its opponents at their own risk. But the conditions had changed at Al- Madinah, where Muslims from all parts of Arabia had come and settled as one community, and had established an independent city state. Here it became a struggle for the' survival of the Community itself, for the whole of non- Muslim Arabia was bent upon and united in crushing it totally. Hence the following instructions, upon which depended not only its success but its very survival, were revealed in this Surah :-

a) The Community should work with the utmost zeal to propagate its ideology and win over to its side the greatest possible number of people.
b) It should so expose its opponents as to leave no room for doubt in the mind of any sensible person that they were adhering to an absolutely wrong position.
c) It should infuse in it's members (the majority of whom were homeless and indigent and surrounded on all sides by enemies) that courage and fortitude which is so indispensable to their very existence in the adverse circumstances in which they were struggling and to prepare them to face these boldly.
d) It should also keep them ready and prepared to meet any armed menace, which might come from any side to suppress and crush their ideology, and to oppose it tooth and nail without minding the overwhelming numerical strength and the material resources of its enemies
e) It should also create in them that courage which is needed for the eradication of evil ways and for the establishment of the Islamic Way instead.

That is why Allah has revealed in this Surah such instructions as may help achieve all the above mentioned objects.

4) During this period, a new type of "Muslims," munafiqin (hypocrites), had begun to appear. Though signs of duplicity had been noticed during the last days at Makkah, they took a different shape at Al-Madinah. At Makkah there were some people who professed Islam to be true but were not prepared to abide by the consequences of this profession and to sacrifice their worldly interests and relations and bear the afflictions which inevitably follow the acceptance of this creed. But at Al-Madinah different kinds of munafiqin (hypocrites) began to appear. There were some who had entered the Islamic fold merely to harm it from within. There were others who were surrounded by Muslims and, therefore, had become "Muslims" to safeguard their worldly interests. They, therefore, continued to have relations with the enemies so that if the latter became successful, their interests should remain secure. There were still others who had no strong conviction of the truth of Islam but had embraced it along with their clans. Lastly, there were those who were intellectually convinced of the truth of Islam but did not have enough moral courage to give up their former traditions, superstitions and personal ambitions and live up to the Islamic moral standards and make sacrifice in its way.

At the time of the revelation of Al-Baqarah, all sorts of hypocrites had begun to appear. Allah has, therefore, briefly pointed out their characteristics here. Afterwards when their evil characteristics and mischievous deeds became manifest, Allah sent detailed instructions about them

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This Surah is an invitation to the Divine Guidance and all the stories, incidents etc., revolve round this central theme. As this Surah has particularly been addressed to the Jews, many historical events have been cited from their own traditions to admonish and advise them that their own good lies in accepting the Guidance revealed to the Holy Prophet. They should, therefore, be the first to accept it because it was basically the same that was revealed to Prophet Moses (Allah's peace be upon him).


Source: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/Quran/maududi/mau2.html

 

I am not sure posting that commentary has the effect you think it will have. It does not make me feel any better about those passages. Quite the contrary, it confirms my understanding of that Surah as showing Islam being very insulting to all types of people who do not want to believe in Islam for a myriad of reasons.

 

I read everything above. I have a lot of difficulties with it. lets start 1 by one.
A short answer would be appreciated, no need to post tons of stuff. Try to answer in your own words, I also type in my own words.

Maududi's opening sentence:
"At Makkah the Quran generally addressed the mushrik Quraish who were ignorant of Islam"
How can the quran address people "who are ignorant of Islam". what Islam? was there an Islam before the quran? what were the rules of this Islam, I thought that
Islam = Quran + Sira + Hadith ,
Quran + Sira + Hadith = Islam,
isn't it so? How does this opening sentence make any sense at all?

 

There should not be any issue whether should I write it my self or quoting it from someone else. Which ever ways that could explain everything in a clearer form should better be used...

Regarding your question.. you must understand firstly what does "Islam" mean?

The word "Islam" itself means "Submission to Allah." The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of "Christianity" which was named after Jesus Christ, "Buddhism" after Gutama Buddha , "Marxism" after Karl Marx or "Confucianism" after Confucius. Similarly, Islam is not named after a tribe like "Judaism" after the tribe of Judah and "Hinduism" after the Hindus. The word "Islam" in Arabic means the submission or surrender of one's will to the will of the only true god worthy of worship, "Allah" (known as God "the Father" in Christianity). Anyone who submit to the will of Allah as required by Islam is termed a "Muslim," which means one who has submitted to the will of Allah.

 

I prefer that you type in your own words.

Yes. I know that Islam means "Submission to Allah.", although many muslims like to use the other meaning of the arabic root s.l.m. and say that Islam means "peace".

Now that I understand the meaning of the name Islam, feel free to answer my question, only two posts above.