Why the Israel Lobby is opposed to Barack Obama

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ablaye, Mar 18, 2008.

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    Obama is definitely a problem for the Israel lobby and its supporters because they do not own him. Like every other American politician who is serious about winning, he has done all the kotowing to and ass-kissing of the Israel lobby that is expected of him. But they do not own him. Since, unlike other Democractic politicians, he is not financially dependent on the campaign contributions of rich Zionist Jews, since he can attract many small contributions from many contributers, he has a degree of independence that makes the Israel lobby uncomfortable. If he becomes President he may, when push comes to shove, actually put the vital interests of the United States above those of Israel, just like President Eisenhower did.

    A lot of zionists have been questioning Barack Obama's committment to Isreal.
    Israel first? What about the US first? My question is why the apartheid policies and illegal settlements in Israel cannot be critizied and questioned by our politicians.
    AIPAC needs to keep its lackies and nose out of US foreign affairs. Period. It is a damn shame that American politicians are selected, not on their commitment to the best interests of America, but by vowing to put the interests of a foreign nation, Israel, first.

    The oath of allegiance that I said everyday in school was not to Israel, or any country but the U.S.A. A true "friend" of Israel would tell the Israelis they need to end the apartheid occupation of the West Bank and and to stop repressing the legitimate national aspirations of the Palestinians. Aid to Israel should be cut. No other country, abuser or not, of human rights, with or without electoral systems, has the influence over our domestic and foreign policy as does the state of Israel. Israel is not a third world country.It is THE BIGGEST RECIPIENT of U.S. aid in the world THAT REQUIRES NO ACCOUNTABILITY from Israel.Each year US aid to Israel gives each man, woman, and child the equivalent of over $1500.00 each while cutting programs in the US due to "funding".The US subsidizes Israel like hell in many areas, to the detriment of our own US society. Isn’t it about time we question how the U.S., in its support of Israel, can be an evenhanded, honest broker of peace?

    The time has come for the US to stop pandering to Israel and it's destructive, warmongering policies.Anyone who does their best to silence any discussion of this issue in the campaign and anywhere else does a disservice to the best interests of the US and the Israelis. In this 21st century and the age of the internet Israel’s policies are increasingly transparent, do not coincide with US policies, and their victim ideology just doesn't work anymore. The time is coming when, I hope, our next POTUS, hopefully Obama, will review and put an end to it by cutting aid to Israel.

    Finally, I urge everyone to read this excellent piece by Justin Raimondo: The War Party Targets Obama -
    They'll never let him become president


    When you see people on this forum like Bogart attacking and smearing Obama, it does not take a genius to understand why.
     
    ablaye, Mar 18, 2008 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    I guess Obama's own words will best answer your attempt to pit Jews against Obama. Nice try.

    "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs."

    "Our job is to rebuild the road to real peace and lasting security throughout the region. That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. That will always be my starting point."

    "My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself against enemies sworn to its destruction,"

    "The world must work to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy. And while we should take no option, including military action, off the table, sustained and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions should be our primary means to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons."​
     
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  3. ablaye

    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    Did you read my post?
    From what you wrote, I don't think you did.
     
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    gauharjk Notable Member

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    Nay, browntwn never reads posts that he doesn't like. He is more inclined towards spreading hate and violence.

    Neocons are terrified of Obama, coz they know their agendas will come to a screeching halt when Obama wins.

    The neocons want either McCain or Hillary to win, both are essentially the same. But Obama, no way. That guy can actually reason and think on his own.

    Obama is antiwar, just like Ron Paul. He wants to talk to the purported "enemies" of the United States instead of just bombing them or enforcing economic sanctions on them.

    If it happens, then the neocons will not be able to wage any more wars, and their "Project for the New American Century (PNAC)" would remain incomplete.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    But didnt Obama vote for the war in iraq and isnt he also funded by the big banking firms??????????
     
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    darksat Guest

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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    Very nice link darksat,hmmm maybe he is the best choice of these puppets but you still didnt answer my question about the bank institutions(special interest groups) donating to his campaign.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Hold on a second. So if Obama votes to fund and continue the war, the Patriot Act, the Domestic Terrorism Bill (aka the "thought crimes" bill), but says he is against the war in a speech, then the votes don't count?

    Wow. We are so f*cked.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    You see this is the part of me that cant see myself voting for obama. For me to vote for a candidate he would have to show me integrity and not just someone that will continue appeasing the power structure and only change his voting record when its convenient and suits his purpose.
    This is the part of me that is troubled with obama on these things.
     
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    AGS Notable Member

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    Don't get your hopes up people, whichever of the three it makes no difference at all. If Obama wasn't a controlled puppet he would have been totally ignored by the mainstream media, just like Ron Paul was.

    Whichever way you look at it it's looking like another disaster.
     
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    Obama is different from Hillary or McCain. He may not be 100% free to do whatever he wants, but he certainly is different.

    If tomorrow Obama comes out and takes an even-handed position on Israel-Palestine conflict, then its Game Over for him. There would be no chance in hell he would be elected.

    The basic requirement to become a US President, is that you have to be biased towards Israel, and consider it the 51st State.

    I hope he does not discuss that topic, or even if he does, he has to show his bias towards Israel. otherwise, no Super-delegate would vote for him, and that would be the end...
     
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    great posts, and these type of quotes would come from any intellectual person

    israel is in dyre need of help, many fundament religious forces want to destruct israel just because some seem them as infidels and kafirs
     
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    webwork Banned

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    The American people are spoon-fed presidential candidates.
     
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    This is a joke right? Israel has more nukes than India and Pakistan put together. The IDF is probably as capable as any other standing army in the world.

    If Israel wanted to, it could wipe out the Arabs, Persians and some of the Asians as well.

    They aren't in dire need of help, although that is their story (politically) and a lot of people buy into it. Israel is a giant among ants when it comes to military power in the ME.
     
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    For the Israel lobby this is still too moderate.
     
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    Only thanks entirely to the massive US funding. Without that they would be scratching around in the sand and picking the dried pieces of shit off of their own arses, but I know you know that already, a shame a few others here don't.
     
    AGS, Mar 22, 2008 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    You manage to reveal so much about yourself with so few words.
     
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    AGS Notable Member

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    But it's true though. Without the billions the US gives to Israel they would be nothing.

    It's all paid for by US taxpayers so if you are paying taxes you should be very proud of this. :D
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    From what I know Israel military training is extremely rigorous, while it is true that they benefited a lot from US fundings, their military excellence has a lot to do with their training too.


     
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    I'm pretty sure I read an article last year on how Israel is really advanced in the hi-tech industry and is starting to become financially self-sufficient.

    Of course, that's hard for anyone when they subsidize a military industry. Peace is a lot cheaper than war.
     
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