Why should God let you into heaven when you die?

the same kind of mental case that believes that everything that is, has always been here. The same mental cases that feel the need to flip floptheir beliefs to conveniently go with the times, and the same mental cases that spread propaganda about people with no citations in their books? Every normal person on earth wants to live forever in some way , shape or form, or else why are genetic scientists trying to find the secrets of immortality by doing sna research. When I was a daytrader in the stock market this was a huge and explosive sector because................. Many many many people wants to live forever.
What mental case wants to just blink away into nothingness????????

 

Uh oh someone's getting a little angry. Careful with those thoughts you're thinking right now. Remember to turn the other ass cheek.

See your own contradiction here? If you're not "arrogant" enough to pass the judgment (which ironically your religion is so clearly based on) that if people don't accept your particular savior as their lord and savior they won't get into heaven -- then why are you praying for them?

Only your God? Oh that's right the other God's don't exist right?

No? That's not what you meant? Ok tell us exactly how many Gods you believe in, because unless you're a polytheist you believe your God is the one true God.

Please don't waste time with another "I respect everyone's religion" nonsense answer. I'm not asking you that. I am asking you directly, clearly and concisely so try to answer the same..... You believe that your religion has it right and that unless a person accepts Jesus as their lord and savior (no matter what religion they are now) they will not get into "heaven". Correct?

That's because I agree with atheists on the premise of being against religion in general. It is created by man and as such is inherently flawed. Which makes it easy to point out contradictions and inconsistencies.

However comma.... If an atheist tries to convince us that it is not possible for God to exist or have in any form I'll be happy to challenge them to prove it as well. Because it's a futile exercise considering that we already know the answer. And the answer is that we do not know...... "We do not know" is not an excuse to continue to depend on a hocus pocus religion to fill in the gaps and it's certainly not a good cause to let arrogance convince us that we have all the answers already.

God could be anything. A race of alien beings so advanced we couldn't begin to comprehend their knowledge. Perhaps maybe even the atheists have it right and life itself is a cosmic accident that has been compounding itself over billions of years. When you put it in that context, both atheism and a super alien race seem just as ridiculous and far fetched don't they?

But guess what, until we have the knowledge to prove otherwise they are both possible. For now, we just don't know.

Neither theism nor atheism leave any room for possibility. They both think they are right and everything else is wrong. Wrong not necessarily in the moral sense but in the factual. And THAT is why I have a problem with them both.

 

Pong i don't think you fully understand how long infinity is. that's ok though, i expected the concept to go straight over your head and have an embarrassingly dumbed down version of my point at the ready just in case you needed it, which you invariably always would.

What exactly are you supposed to do forever? if you exist forever you will get to do everything an infinite amount of times. how boring is that? What would this imaginary magic wonderland, sorry, "heaven", consist of to make it paradise for infinity and not a boring pile of repetitive shit after just 10 billion years, which, as a percentage of infinity, is 0.000000000000% of the time you have to spend.

Think about it. I know that's an alien concept for you but try hard... if your ears start to bleed stop thinking and work you way up to thinking gradually, maybe practice by repeating what someone else said and pretending you have thought about it, you know, like you usually do.

I know you have a brain pong, if only by the virtue of the fact that you are a human being. And even if you don't have the capacity to use a computer we know you at least have the capacity to login to a website and mash your hands on a keyboard, so it's a start. it's just a shame that your primitive beliefs mean you aren't able to engage your brain and use it. What a way to live, being forced to be deliberately dense just so you have an excuse for not understanding simply concepts written in plain English.

That's the best schooling i have ever given you, even if i do say so myself, and lets be honest, we have a lot to chose from.

 

Stox , havent you had enough? I schooled you to the point that you have stopped posting on hitchens and the beloved mother teresa, Then you got so scared of being debunked that you deleted your post on the hitchens forum. Come on bro, Your starting to compete again with logicflux for the amount of times someone got schooled. You were ahead on the virtue that you stopped debating me looooooooool. As for your answer. Heaven exists on another plane of existence, and if it does , living in spirit cannot be compared to living in this plane of existence with its limitations, which means that all possibilities are possible and that gives us the choice to do virtually anything. An infinite number of choices. Stox, theres your answer. Now about your drunken leader hitchens. Flux has allready been debunked in pacman fashion (to the point of throwing in the towel completely), and you have also when it came to your lunitic leader hitchens. I have yet to see you do that to me.

I still say logicflux has better copy and paste abilities but you dude have very poor abilities when it comes to research. As far as your concept of heaven it is a limited one to go along with your limited debating abilities.
This is one that can be argued for eons, and you have your belief , and I have mine, but totally silencing you on hitchens was a total aboliteration

 

I have never deleted any of my posts.. I guess the religious are having their precious feelings protected by moderators again.

Pong, you are still failing to grasp the concept of infinity. Even with an infinite number of choices the same choice will still be made an infinite number of times. Even with an infinite number of possibilities the same thing will still happen an infinite number of times. Infinity isn't just a very big number, it's forever, it's never ending. regardless of how many choices and possibilities there are we will still have to do it an infinite number of times.

Are you starting to understand why your magical happy land makes no sense at all and if it did exist is would be tantamount to torture? It will be a never ending loop of repeating the same shit over and over again, a bit like explaining simple concepts to you but without the feeling of intellectual superiority at the end.

 

Sorry stox you know it as well as I do. Why do you think i made my post thanking you for posting to give me a chance to not double post. Stox, fibbing again. Never thought you would get debunked by a theist. Can you bring up that drunken leader of urs that doesnt know how to spell citations?
Opps , thats why you wont post about him anymore.

Sorry stox, again you fail to understand that living in heaven is a different state of being than living on earth. It is beyond numbers, we will exist as spirits and know love on a scale that we could never understand on earth.
If we believe that god created this wonderous physical universe, then he can also created a place like heaven and also make it impossible for us to get bored.

 

Oh right, because he magic... i understand now.

It's funny how any attempt at logical discussion inevitably results in your explanation being "well, gods magic so shit that is obviously nonsensical will make sense". It's tantamount to a child explaining how Santa can get in to a house with central heating.

It's also funny that you previously said we would have an infinite amount of things to do assuming that an infinite amount of things would keep us busy for infinity and now are saying "don;t worry, magic man made it so we wont get bored"... what happened? did your brain finally kick in and you faintly grasped the concept of infinity and decided to drastically change your mind in what can only be described as a u-turn visible from space?

this is the thing pong, you simply make it up as you go along inventing explanations and rationalisations as and when you need them. it's infantile. You are a middle aged man pong. grow the fuck up and start living in reality.

 

He shouldn't. That's what Grace is all about. That's why I think ANYBODY can get in, even some of us hypocritical christians. Oh, but just think of it. It'd be worth it just to hang out at the gates and wait forthose ultra right-winger, The Sword of Christ types and the rest of those Neo Nazi so-called Christian soldeirs, we'll be watching as they ride their Harleys up the face of the cloud to the pearly gates, vroom vrooooom vrooooming all the while. And there'll be this little old man at the gate. "Vell?" he'll ask like he just walked off a shift at the Stage Delicatessan. "Vat do you haf to zay for yourselves?" Who in the.... are you? One will ask. "Vell, " he will reply. "I am ze Peter." Have I introduced my jewish friend, a vreal shenboyala -"Yashooah" we call him. But you somhow call him Jesus. Vell? The pastramis great tonight, in or out?"

 

Does it surprise you to be punched in the face when you pull His beard?
Why?
Instead of becoming an atheist, one could always apologize. What do you think?

 

Dont blame him smile, Logic has a hard time with issues that have meaning and depth. As of late hes even having problems with issues of facts, but in this world everyone can change. The beauty of love and god can create miracles in peoples hearts. As you can see they are only sheeple that follow their god christopher hitchens who teaches hate, flip flopping on issues, stop posting when your presented with the facts and never knowing what political beliefs you will have each 5 minutes.

But remember one thing, god still loves them even if their hearts are filled with hate and redicule. I will one day see stox and logicflux in church and we will be holding hands saying the OUR FATHER. Call it a gut feeling.
Thats when the nerve endings of one person leap out of their bodies and connect with nerve endings of other people. I guess what im trying to say is I love you all. Big group hug folks

 

The gravest danger to mankind is over population.
Everybody who has a little brain know that if humanity will maintain its current growth rate, in 200 years we will have to leave this planet because we have depleted all of its resources, and people will start nuking each other over the resources left.

So, lets assume that humanity will grow to 30 billion people and not grow any further due to a joint birth control measures by all governments (how unlikely......).

Now, lets look at the year 5000 After Christ.
With a life expectancy of 80 years in average and remembering that heaven is eternal:

A quick calculation gives : 1.1 TERA souls in heaven, only from the souls added starting from today (not including the souls that are already there in 250,000 years of human history, which should be 1000 times higher!!!). Now that's what I call population explosion!

but its really cool hey imagine 1.1 tera (10[sup]12[/sup]) or maybe PETA (10[sup]15[/sup]) souls sitting on a Caribbean beach drinking a cold alcoholic fruit cocktail and watching all the chick souls shake their booties. god is standing in the DJ stand playing some cool reggae music. on the other hand, real estate must be damn expensive.

 

Not Magic my good friend stox, but an existence beyond our comprehension the way we understand things now. Now you may believe that you are capable of understanding existence in the spiritual realm but im not that arrogant. I do however understand things like why you never post about hitchens anymore. This is an example of physical and mental comprehension, but to say you can understand the limits of heaven is something no sane person would ever say.

Its an area that really isnt debatable, Lets stick to things that can be debated .

Again Chaos trivia , you are looking at heaven through the eyes of a shallow extremist atheist. Heaven is again in the spiritual realm and we dont even know the amount of space that heaven can hold because of this. It could very well be virtually unlimited.
God bless

 

You're not that arrogant? Pong you just spent the last 3 posts telling us exactly what god has on store us. It's a bit late to feign humility.

Also, what happened to the claim that an infinaye number of options will keep us entertained for infinity? Have you ditched that claim now I have explained infinity to you using language a chimpanzee would understand?

I love how you go from trying to explain something to claiming it's abover our comprihention. I'd only you could forego the middle bit you may have some integrity. But who needs integrity when you are reduced to making shit up as and when you need it.

It's good funnowning you pong, it would be more fun if you had the sense to understand exactly how epic your ownage is though.

 

Stox I know you have a hard time understand and comprehending, but I think I have answered your question about infinity, You just choose to turn the other way when I did answer it. Im telling you what I believe, just as you are telling me what you believe. Your trying to make a debate on faith based upon things we both dont comrehend.
Now I dont know about you but this is a stalemate. A win in a debate is when someone deletes their answer when they are afraid of you posting a slam dunk rebuttal, or when someone never posts again about their hero because they are afraid of their hero getting another debunking
god bless you stox and remember my gut instinct that one day about making hitchens look like a 6 years old intellectually and we will say the our father togather.

PS: You keep telling me that when I die my body will turn to dust and i will simply cease to exist. The hypocrite never sees their own words. Isnt that just a wee bit arrogant of you dude to tell me that? Isnt it tea and crumpets time?

 

So you still claim that an infinate number of options would never have to be repeated during an infinate amount of time? You still seem to be under the impression that infinity is just a very big number, which is essentially your mistake.


Some of us have good reason to be arrogant pong, our superior intelligence for one and our ability to live in reality without inventing invisible magic sky daddies because we are frightened for another.

 

Infinity never ends my good friend. This is all it takes for me to school u just like i schooled ur master hitchens for being dumb enough not to be able to spell citation lol.

 

could be worse, he could be dumb enough to not know how to spell "you" and "your". You really do make it too easy for me, you practically own yourself every time you post.

well done on knowing the second graders definition of a word, the problem you are having however is understanding it as a mathematical concept. You seem to completely ignore the obvious reality that if your magical happy land did exist it would be unbearable. It would consist, inevitably by the virtue of being infinity, of repetitive shit. regardless of how many options/possibilities there were.

But then, like with all wishful thinking and denial, it's probably best if you don't think about it too much, i can't imagine how devastating it would be for a 40+ year old virgin to come to the realisation that he has wasted the one and only life he is going to get.

 

hehehehehe, this is short term you ignorant moron. Is that the only real straw you have to grasp when your debating with me. When we talk about getting owned we talk about when someone deletes their post to try to get you penalized , then they lie about it, and also never posting a word about hitchens conspiracy theory book against mother teresa again. This is true ownage buddy loooooooooooooooool. Just like your grasping when you try to debate the concept of heaven which is a spiritual realm anyways.

You really are grasping dude
god bless you

 

you have completely lost the plot now pong. at least before i could actually read your rantings, now it's just incoherent garbage, even without your infantile "txt spk".

Look at the depths you are willing to sing to to protect this delusion. I can understand why though, like i say, for a 40+ year old virgin to realise he has wasted his life would be devastating. It's just a shame that in the process of denying reality you have to sacrifice your integrity.

You seem to have completely given up on trying to explain how an infinite number of options would keep us entertained for infinity, which is wise, because you obviously didn't have a clue what you were talking about and were just trying to rationalise something which is patently absolute bollocks.

 

I am enjoying reading all your thoughts and contributions immensly.
A speaker said the other day: "Every family is somewhat dysfunctional" with which I agree! To be with my heavenly Father who is able to lift me out of that chaos and who adopts me into His family is GREAT! Life is fun again! I love being part of God's family forever.