Why people even care about Toolbar PR

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  1. mnemtsas

    mnemtsas Super Dud

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    #61
    Yes but that's assuming that Google calculates toolbar PR on the basis of relevancy of links/sites. If they don't lets examine an extreme example:

    I have a site selling blue widgets and have a ton of links from a number of high PR sites that sell little furry green troll dolls and the anchor text to my site is 'concrete pylons are orange aliens'. Now my blue widget site may well have a high toolbar PR but I suspect the high toolbar PR resulting from links from these completely irrelevant sites with completely off target anchor text will have little no effect on your 'blue widget' serps.
     
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  2. FireStorM

    FireStorM Well-Known Member

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    #62

    Google gives LIVE PR first , it is live PR which determine your site SERP . toolbar pr comes later.
     
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  3. mnemtsas

    mnemtsas Super Dud

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    #63
    I would have thought it was obvious that I knew that by the constant referal to 'toolbar PR'. Anyways, my argument wasn't about the speed of PR updates but the essential uselessness of it if Google doesn't include some sort of relevancy test in the toolbar PR calcs.
     
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  4. Edz

    Edz Peon

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    #64
    Mnemtsas wrote:
    May i ask you what contributed the 400% increase?
    In your personal situation PR didn't give you the increase in traffic but for others it could be the cause because of the rise in SERP's for specific keyword searches.
    Potential customers are more likely to visit the sites high up in the SERPs... that is a constant and well know fact.
    If your site would be getting a higher PR my guess your traffic will increase even more.

    No need for assumption, it's actually a fact ;) If you look at the link below you will find a summary of the information that is provided by Google themself (specificly bolded in red) that explains PageRank and relevance of incoming links and sites.


    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=581837&postcount=11

    PageRank is in my view an important factor of determining the position of your site in the SERP's for specific keyword searches.
    This is what most people strive for that can't afford advertising schemes to provide a steady flow of traffic.
    And if they can afford it's only an extra factor (could be a very decisive factor) to bring in more visitors to their site thus more revenue potential.

    So does PageRank contribute to possible revenue growth? In my oppinion it really does.
     
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  5. Swiss

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    #65
    PR is extremly important
    • It is pat on the back for all those tedious hours link building.
    • It is a sign of trust, as most customers have a PR toolbar.
    • It is good for resale vaue....... it's like having an extension built when selling a house
    • It does have an advantage in SEO. Obviously good links are important and it is diffficult to gauge how well this is doing.
    • Sure money and SERPS are important too, it just depends on the niche you have chosen and how competitive it is.
    • But for one reason more thatn any other. EMPTY RESTAURAnT SYNDROME. No one likes to swop links with a PR zero. New kids on block etc. It is basic childhood instinct.

      Swiss
     
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  6. mnemtsas

    mnemtsas Super Dud

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    #66
    There's no mention in that article that relevancy of sites linking to others are factored into the page rank calculations. It *does* mention that
    . I'll stand by my argument that high page rank completely irrelevant off topic anchor text links might pump up your toolbar PR with little or no effect on your serps. SERPS are what matter when you dont use the COOP or LV or sell text links.
     
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  7. mnemtsas

    mnemtsas Super Dud

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    #67
    Anyone who wont accept links from Page Rank 0 sites that are on topic is exactly that, childish. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face. What happens if that PR0 site becomes the webs leading authority on a topic of importance to your site?
     
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  8. Edz

    Edz Peon

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    #68
    What do you mean there is no mention of relevancy of sites linking to others are factored into the page rank calculations?
    What does this say?

    Google uses PageRankâ„¢ to examine the entire link structure of the web and determine which pages are most important. It then conducts hypertext-matching analysis to determine which pages are relevant to the specific search being conducted.

    I think this explains it quite explicetely ;)
    _____________________________________________________________


    A site with specific content will recieve pagerank status from 0 to 10 for the theme and content it holds determined by the relevancy of matching themes and content of the sites that link to it.

    If a site gets links from high PR sites it will not have a big impact if the site that holds the high PR does not match the theme and content i agree, but if the sites pages that link to it holds the same theme and content relevancy it will have an impact.

    If a site has a high PR rating it is because the site is being linked to from other sites with matching relevancy content/theming and possible high PR.
    The situation you described is flawd because that is not how PR works in my assumption so far.

    If i am wrong then i would highly appreciate it if this can be proven with some proof and not just a you are wrong comment ;) from what is bolded in red i conclude that Pagerank is something that is based upon relevancy already and if not then future changes (if not already in place) will make it so from other articles that i have encountered.
     
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  9. mnemtsas

    mnemtsas Super Dud

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    #69
    If you read that you'll notice that page rank is used to determine the link structure of the entire web THEN it uses hypertext analysis to determine the importance. No mention of relevancy when talking about page rank. Any way you're using an old old document to support your arguments.

    We should stop here, you are not going to change your mind and you're not coming up with anything new to change mine. Just remember, PR is just one of more than 100 things used to determine your SERPS you and and I have no idea of the weighting.......
     
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  10. getsum80

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    #70
    i care because i can do better link trades with people
     
    getsum80, Feb 20, 2006 IP