Why oh why, doesn't google just ban you if you nochache?

Discussion in 'Google' started by tphyahoo, Aug 11, 2004.

  1. #1
    Okay, I am feeling cranky. Trying to reverse engineer some SEOed pages, but I can't, because they're not in the cache.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword, okay, okay. But bear with me.

    What would be the effect if google refused to index pages that didn't want to be cached?

    Most people wouldn't care. Sophisticated SEO would suffer, because their on site "tricks" would be exposed, or they wouldn't be allowed in the index.

    Life would be easier for google, because it would reduce the motivation for clever seoers to spam google, because they know that their tricks will be quickly copied anyway, so little to gain. With a flattened learning curve for seo spam, people would get out of the business and probably go back to adwords (good for google) and paid advertising links, which don't directly benefit google, but at least google knows that a site with 50,000 paid links from espotting probably has more resources to throw at their "theme" than a site with 20,000 paid links from espotting.

    How crazy is this idea? Very crazy? Or not all that crazy.

    Thomas.
     
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  2. eCommando

    eCommando Well-Known Member

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    Are those pages cloaked? Is that why they're not in the cache?
     
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    they could be cloaked, but that alone wouldn't make that happen.

    the thing is, usually people notice cloaking by looking at the cached version. if there's no cache, there's no way to tell what they're doing by cloaking (or if they even are in the first place).
     
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    I've set no-cache for one of my latest sites, for the sole reason that by getting lots of users clicking the CACHE instead of visiting the actual page causes PSA to appear on the Adsense ads.

    Now they have no choice but to visit my site.
     
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    I wasn't even familiar with the nocache tag. I never had a reason (at least one that I knew of) to prevent the pages from being cached. I've got nothing to hide, but the adsense issue does make sense. (no pun intended, really)
     
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    Why would a user click the cache instead of visiting the real site? Most users don't even know about cache. That doesn't make any sense to me.

    In the meantime I would tend to agree. If people don't want their site cached then Google should ignore it altogether. If you're cached you're indexed. If you are not cached your not in the SERPs. That seem straight forward enough to me.
     
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    I use the cache for two things:

    1) if the server is down but I want to visit a page, I view the cached version

    or

    2) if I'm interested if they're cloaking somehow..
     
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    Not true Bob, I have proof. My site is indexed, but not cached. Still trying to find out why though....
     
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    really new pages that just made it into the index and really old pages that haven't been refreshed in a long while sometimes don't have a cache
     
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  10. compar

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    How often is the server down?
     
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    First that isn't what I said if you read my post. I said that Google should set the rule "no cache no index". I didn't say this was the situation. Do you Guys on the west coast have trouble reading English?

    Secondly, I'd like to see proof of you having a web site that is indexed but not cached unless you purposely used the "nocache" tag. Which is what this thread is all about.
     
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    I don't have a site (ie the main page) that has that happening but I do have internal pages like that:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=site:ffshrine.org

    last two results for me have no cache but they're still in google


    I didn't mean my site. but if you surf a lot, eventually you'll stumble across something you want to see in google but it isn't up- it might be a server problem, the page might have moved, etc. the google toolbar's really handy, just a few clicks and you can see the cached version.
     
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    Go here Vancouver Computer Repairs and click the cache option in the G toolbar.

    After that, do a google search for computer repairs BC and let me know the results.
     
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    NewComputer

    What's strange is that your whole site is listed as 'one liners' in Google. Check out:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:www.newcomputer.ca&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N

    I understood this to mean that Google either has problems getting the on page information or that it has just flagged the page to take a look at later.

    A lot of my backlinks (and some site pages) started appearing like this over the last few months since Google became more erratic / unpredictable / unstable.

    This may be why it can't cache, or hasn't cached, your page.

    Mick
     
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    I am starting to wonder if there is a problem with my host and the ip address. I have no real way of checking. The reason I say this is because I noticed today that I cannot access my log files, like they have been moved. I am pretty tight with my server admin, so I should know more tomorrow.

    Maybe Google can't get to my site, or who knows. Maybe someone more familiar with IP addresses can try to track this down. It is really strange.

    PS: Still no response from G. I did find 2 of my pages had dual adsense ads, but I have removed those and I cannot see that being the issue. Those pages were developed before I even knew it was wrong to do that. For now, I scratch my head.
     
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    Every page in that search that has a full description is cached. The pages that aren't cached are listed like this:

    forums.ffshrine.org/showthread/t-14272.html
    Similar pages


    So I would guess Google has found them via links, but I think it is questionable whether or not you can really say they are in Google's index yet, because Google does not appear to have, or to display, all the normal information for the page????
     
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    Erm about users not using cache...

    I don't know about the general public but I find myself using it quite often.
     
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    Personally I do not use cache... until I am really desperate to see the page and the server is down or it is not accessible. The server is up for most of the time. I think this would be useful for ppl who would like to research on the history of the website.

    There is another website that caches websites (I am not able to recall the URL).
     
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