i respect all your religions and beliefs and i love any one who believe in god existance and for who not believe this is a logic prood to them if any one intersted pm me and i will give him alot of proofs i know my english is sux so i am sorry to all of you first plz donot reply except if you read the thread till end also any reply offtopic i will report it and i will make more than 5 posts coz forum rules donot allow me to post more than 4 images you can go here http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-e.htm http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-2-1.htm http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-f.htm http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-g.htm http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-h.htm Muslims stick to islam because of the Quran which is Prophet Muhammad miracle this are some examples The Quran on Seas and Rivers: Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density.1 For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water. When Mediterranean sea water enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill, it moves several hundred kilometers into the Atlantic at a depth of about 1000 meters with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics. The Mediterranean water stabilizes at this depth2 (see figure 13). Figure 13: The Mediterranean sea water as it enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics, because of the barrier that distinguishes between them. Temperatures are in degrees Celsius (C°). (Marine Geology, Kuenen, p. 43, with a slight enhancement.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.) Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier. The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God has said: He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress. (Quran, 55:19-20) But when the Quran speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of “a forbidding partition†with the barrier. God has said in the Quran: He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (Quran, 25:53)
Ahh i see, it's because of the seas thing.... and there was me thinking it was because you get tortured and executed.
the Quran: He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (Quran, 25:53) One may ask, why did the Quran mention the partition when speaking about the divider between fresh and salt water, but did not mention it when speaking about the divider between the two seas? Modern science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from what is found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuaries is a “pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers.â€3 This partition (zone of separation) has a different salinity from the fresh water and from the salt water4 (see figure 14). Figure 14: Longitudinal section showing salinity (parts per thousand ‰) in an estuary. We can see here the partition (zone of separation) between the fresh and the salt water. (Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, p. 301, with a slight enhancement.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.) This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature, salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc. The human eye cannot see the difference between the two seas that meet, rather the two seas appear to us as one homogeneous sea. Likewise, the human eye cannot see the division of water in estuaries into the three kinds: fresh water, salt water, and the partition (zone of separation). Footnotes: (1) Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93. (2) Principles of Oceanography, Davis, p. 93. (3) Oceanography, Gross, p. 242. Also see Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp. 300-301. (4) Oceanography, Gross, p. 244, and Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp. 300-301. fig 14 in attatchment
Yeah because fresh water IS sweet... Well, it isn't really, But whatever, facts don't matter. it all makes sense when we forget about facts, Reality and what words mean.
thank you sir for asking question on the topic and forgive me for my poor english we believe that every prophet have a miracle and the miracle of the holy QURAn is it is god talk so there nothing in it false and this Quran is the message of God to prophet mohamed peace upon him and prophet mohamed said this Quran 14 century ago where no modern technology now the modern technology prove that the Quran is true and that proof that Quran is god talk not prophet mohammed talk prophet mohamed is the messenger of god to give us the Quraan i know that you donot understand coz my bad english i will try to improve it and post again
I aim to please nate.. I'm waiting for him to use the "fact" that mohammad split the moon in half as proof that he is a real prophet. he is probably saving it till last, what with it being so grounded in reality and undeniable.
Ever read Aryah Kaplan's translation of the Sephir Yetzirah? It has all these comparisons between this JEWISH text and Quantum physics. Ever heard of the Bible Code? Google it. My point is that other religions have these "revelations" they attribute to their dogma as well. It doesn't prove anything.
I don't see how criticising a religion which tortures and executes apostates is a personal attack. it's actually a "personal habit" of mine to criticise religions when they execute people for leaving, So be careful you don't get banned, Son.
Do atheists have to attack everytime when someone talking about his/her religion ? Is not there any rules like religiouse freedom or lack of religion ?
My religion is better than yours. My God can kick your God's butt. Oh wait, I don't believe in religion, nevermind.
Whenever anyone tries to give credibility to their myths by bastardising science, yeah, I'm afraid we feel compelled to step in. Or should people who happen to have a "religion" have a free reign to say and do what they want without criticism? Is that what you expect?
so in other words they want to say and do what they they without criticism. I'm afraid the time when religion was immune from criticism and entitled to special treatment has come to an end. ever since the enlightenment people have strived to rid the word of corrosive dogmas, Now it's religions turn. Sure you can still do it, Just like you can still try to turn base metals in to gold in your basement, Go into the woods and chant to the tree spirits or try to see the future in a crystal ball. But don't expect to be taken seriously. Expect your religion to be seen as nothing more than, At best, A wacky hobby. It's very telling that still, after thousands of years, Religious people are resting on science and making the claim that "science supports my religion" to give it credibility, Yet never, In the history of science, has a single scientist said "religion supports my scientific conclusions". It says a lot about the credibility of both areas.
Actually, many have said religion supports my scentific conclusions. http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/scientists_on_the_quran1.htm
it seems to be a stupid thread we should never challenge anyone beliefs ,even if they are the stupidest thing on earth because if we see ourselves we also might be doing those stupid(in their eyes) things so the best thing is to respect others and try to understand their viewpoint
They aren't using religion to give their science credibility. Their research and findings would be just as accurate and accepted regardless. and really that page proves my point, it's just another site latching on to science to give credibility to myths. The science is still being used to give credibility to the myth, Not the other way round. Find me a scientific paper, Not just an off the cuff remark made by someone answering a loaded question, Where a scientist uses mythology to give credibility to their science. Find me a scientist who says "my conclusions must be true BECAUSE it corresponds to whats written in a religious book".
welcome back ThraXed. stOx, would you like to be mocked because you are an atheist , because you dont believe in a religion ?