Well proven statistics can't be beaten, no matter how beautiful you want to talk it. It's not to hate the people, but the sytem or religion of islam, and the spirit behind them. Islam is not only enemy to non-muslims but also to muslims. If some of you say you're moderate, -- congratulation! -- but you're out of context of the quran. Better you take the next step and leave it(islam) alone altogether. Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism www.ci-ce-ct.com Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tark-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one’s convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions… Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy’ has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: ‘he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.‘ The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational. During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ‘ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’. Taqiyya is common to both Shiite and Sunni Muslim discourse and has significant implications for understanding Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist operations. The theory and practice of counter terrorism would be counter productive, indeed pointless, and even harmful, without reference to taqiyya and kitman and the crucial role of deception ranging from Islamic jurisprudence to Al Qaeda training manuals, which carry detailed instructions on the use of deception by terrorists in Western target countries. According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty. “Verily the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most pious among you; verily, God is knowing, aware!†49:13Shi’a interpret the phrase above as “he among you who exercises Taqiyya most†Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split ‘the enemy‘. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation’; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death. Sydney NSW Australia: 2 November 2002 Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly, the controversial Grand Mufti of Australia, is enjoying lunch with his trusted assistant Keysar Trad. The journalist writing of the meeting with the Sheik noted: ‘Several times, when direct responses to questions about passages in the Koran begged a simple yes or no, both men preferred to avoid the issues by talking about the difficulties of translating passages from Arabic to English.’ Referring to the Sheikhs blithe dismissal of his virulent anti-Semitic remarks in 1998, the journalist reflected: ‘I can only muse at the facility of my guest, who has also praised suicide bombers in more recent times, to dismiss his notorious and abominable remarks with such ease and without actual apology. It seems clear that he is considering the way his remarks will be construed by the Sunday Telegraph’s huge and influential audience when they are translated into Arabic for Muslims to debate. He’s walking a tightrope.’ The skilled journalist should not be puzzled as the Sheik’s target audiences were Australians and not Arab readers. Taqiyya, or dissimulation, is a key feature in Islamic public discourse and confuses Western audiences. It is meant to, according to the Koran: ‘Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that; they shall have no relation left with Allah except by way of precaution..that ye may guard yourselves’. 3:28 Al Taqiyya is with tongue only; not the heart. A believer can make any statement as long as the ‘heart is comfortable’. The 9/11 terrorists lived and visited in the United States for two years before the 9/11 attacks. How did they acculturate? By the use of taqiyya. Meaning: I hate you but I smile at you-in public. Taqiyya and ‘Outwitting’ in contemporary political discourse and debates. Outwitting: Islamic spokesmen commonly use taqiyya as a form of ‘outwitting’. The matter under discussion is not to be debated or discussed; rather the opponent is to ‘outwitted’ through taqiyya, by diversion of the subject and obfuscation aided at times with a mystical reference to God or Allah. The claim that difficulties in translating from Arabic to English make communication with non-Arab speakers difficult or impossible is another form of outwitting. The tactical use of a translator offers considerable advantage. Role playing as victim: Claiming to be ‘the victim’ of religious discrimination and intolerance during debate or discussion is another form of distraction and ‘outwitting’. Manipulating ambiguity: Sheik Hilaly of Sydney, Australia is on public record as (a) ‘condemning’ the 9/11 attacks in ambiguous terms and (b) praising suicide and martyr operations However, Islamic spokesmen will rarely condemn a specific act of terrorism and direct questions will be skillfully evaded. Diversion: For example, questions relating to the 9/11 terrorists attacks will be diverted by a causally irrelevant counter reference to the plight of the Palestinians, the nefarious role of Israel and US foreign policy and support for Israel as ’causes’ of terrorism. Anti-Semitism, a core belief of Islamic fundamentalism is also skillfully diverted by misleading and exaggerated historical references to the alleged status enjoyed by Jews and non-believers under Islamic rule, thereby deflecting critical examination of the virulent contemporary Islamic anti-Semitism Demanding ‘evidence’: Islamic spokesmen practice a form of taqiyya defined in psychology as ‘cognitive denial’ by repetitive and extreme requests for ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’ of alleged terrorist acts, which they know cannot be disclosed. Tactical denial: Rather than admitting that a proposition concerning a state of affairs can be partly true, an Islamic spokesman will deny a claim or proposition in absolute terms. For example, “It is impossible to be a Muslim and a terrorist’ , which is false and ‘Islam forbids suicide’, which is true, but irrelevant as suicide or martyrdom attacks are not forbidden in the Koran. Exploiting cognitive dissonance: Islamic spokesman tend to be baffle television interviewers and puzzle viewers as they resort to double talk ‘clich�s and platitudes’ concerning Islam. A state of cognitive dissonance-holding two contradictory beliefs and attempting to resolve them- is induced in viewers as they attempt to process the claim that Islam is a peaceful religion with the dissonant facts of Islamic terrorist acts and operations. The Islamic ‘defense’ script: Islamic spokesmen repeat the same predictable platitudes concerning Islam in London as do Islamic spokesmen in Seattle and often appear to follow a prepared script from “Islam is tolerant and peace loving’ to the claim by Islamic spokeswomen invariably claiming that wearing the veil offers them more freedom (women in Muslim countries are therefore ‘freer’ than women in western countries), thereby precluding further examination into the real status of women under Islamic rule. Islamic platitudes are also echoed uncritically by Western politicians, for example “A small group of fundamentalists have hijacked a great religion’. The timely, skilful, misleading and diversionary theme of the ‘hijacking’ of Islam was introduced into public, political and media discourse by an Islamic ’spokesmen’ in the United States shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The “Islam has been hijacked’ diversionary theme is now a conventional media and political reference deflecting attention from empirical and historical examination of the doctrinal, political and religious continuity of Islamic terrorism. A related theme that a small minority of Muslims are engaged in terrorism is utterly irrelevant as Islamic terrorism is always perpetrated by ’small minorities’ or more accurately’ small groups’. Taqiyya as impressions and perceptions management The tactical use of children: Australia television viewers noted that interviews with terrorist suspects raided by security authorities invariably featured veiled women holding small children or a baby as they protested their husband’s innocence and attested to his innate goodness. Trembling fingers pointed to ‘damage’ to the family residence. In some interviews the suspect / father holds the child, whilst denying involvement or knowledge of terrorism in any sense of the word: an example of taqiyya in the age of impressions and perception management. Taqiyya and the Deceptive use of Jihad: The contemporary political meaning of jihad is clear: it is Jihad of the sword. Egyptian-based Islamic fundamentalists, from whom Bin Laden recruited his key operatives, believe jihad is the fourth pillar of Islam and is a binding belief and integral to the faith. Claiming that Jihad is a subjective and psychological state of personal struggle is taqiyya. In contemporary terms, Jihad means - holy war - against unbelievers and it in this context that Al Qaeda training manuals refer to Jihad as ‘Holy War’. The study of taqiyya and kitman is crucial to an understanding of Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism ranging from the issuing of false terrorist threats, operational and strategic disinformation issued by Al Qaeda in the form of ‘intelligence chatter’ to the use of taqiyya and kitman by terrorists during interrogation and the use of systematically misleading expressions concerning Islam and terrorism by Muslim ’spokesmen’.
lol...... "BS Spread Mission" at its peak....... You are entitled as an honrary memebr of "BS Spread Mission" for your sincere effort to the cause..... I request the president (the name has yet to be announced) of BS Spread Mission to give a promotion to Arnie within the group.
look boy, you have nothing to say, so why do you post at all. Probablly its time to get some intro of "the political islam" Being with the truth, you get burried by it.
Yes Aunty , here is some thing to listen and see for you.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Be-i4cotc You want me to show you how many western women are converting to Islam? if Islam is so bad why so many women are accepting Islam every day in the West.....
i guess you didnt read any of that, because you never replied to anything to defend your stance, or disprove it. truth hurts huh?
What...? I am open to debate and defend my stances but I need a pledge from you that debate will be in a civilazed manner.... There will be no bashing oneach other..... I will not abuse you and your belifs Neither you will..... I will give respect to your school of thought, you will give to mine...... You will not abuse/accuse any holy book any prophet any holy place Nor I will we can disagree on issues but its not necessary for us to degrade/derespect each other and our beleifs..... Your holy books, Your holy prophets or any one you do respect will have my respect and same is asked from you.... Am I askin gtoo much from you....? Yes, I guess so.... If not, lets start a healthy civilized and peacfull debate onthe topic of your choice....
I'm glad he's banned for that, but that rule doesn't apply for everyone i guess. Like Arnie can say "Islam is not only enemy to non-muslims but also to muslims.", even though this is a pretty harsh statement, it can be considered this is his freedom of thought when he gives his points why he thinks so, nobody has to love a religion, these are all open to discussion, however i consider these very superficial, anyways; we may assume these are okay but calling prophets names as "murderer, thief, molester" etc. and there are many alike examples of this not just 1, is not at all freedom of speech and i saw nothing happened to those, or did i miss if sth happened?.. Maybe that's why people call this "BS Spread mission" as not everybody is treated the same.
you have proven your civilized manner in your first posts already, do I have to repeat? It's a bit cheap to talk about respect, demanding it, but for yourself, you don't have any idea what respect is. You're immature and most likeley a fanatic trying to save death like so many of your bros.
Not to forget to mention. Any of your posts are conform with on or more paragraphs from taqiyya and kitman.
Ok, thanks for telling, so to be matured i will need to abuse others, use dirty language for holy books, holy places and holy personalities ... then i will be civilazied and mature in your books....? thanks for guidance
well you see, we have this thing where children that are under age are protected by law. and when a child is sexual abused under that age, it is something we find repulsive. yet you are happy to have sex with girls as young as 9 years old, and see nothing wrong with it. dont you see that? dont you see why we attack that sick trait? just because you lower the age of marrage for girls to 9 years old. does not mean we have to accept that as being ok. it is repulsive. it is state sponsored sexual abuse of children, (female children little girls) and your book says it's ok, well sorry i dont see how you can say you are civil and allow sexual abuse of children, even if the bible said it was ok to marry at 14, most western states have a higher limit to protect the children. maturity is a state of mind, and educational development, not a state of menstruation, most girls do not begin to menstruate until around 12 years of age. setting an age of 9 means most are still prepubescent girls. and that is revolting to any normal human being, except muslims
And btw about Taqiyya, i'm sorry i'm not a native speaker of English as you can see so i can not tell in the way you do, but the basis of Taqiyya is; there are widely confused matters about the holy book since it has a deep language, many people has interpretetated it differently and worried if they commited a sin over something they have done. The basis of taqqiye is; Allah is concerned with what you believe and the real purpose of your actions. If you are a Muslim in your heart, what other people know/feel about or how they see you does not change this fact.
@Samantha Islam does not lower the age to 9 or something, don't just justify calling a prophet "a murderer, thief and a molester" like that. That's just what some ignorant Arabs do, those kinda yuck happen all around the world, even i saw a US TV program recently which is dedicated(i guess) to catch the molesters with a hidden cam - i don't remember the name, that does not mean it's done under the name of your/their religion, it's just sick minds. It's the common problem in this forum; you can't just seperate ignorancy and religion from each other, and consider your(plural) extremism is any different than other extremists.
Do you think it is OK for a 50 + year old man to marry a 9 year old girl? If you think it is OK, I have a special opinion for you. Even if 2bln say yeas, I'll have a special opinion for all of you. (And feel deeply sorry for you too.)
An ideology that slaughtered well over 270000000 people world-wide, the actuall number is far higher though, in a time when the world population was far below 1 billion, is praise-worthy? Why has mohammad only gained 150 followeres in 15 years of preaching his believes and only after he resorted to war, terror etc. he became successful. Are you admitting to violence? come on, get it out. Neglecting the poor in your respective countries and not giving them proper education, so, that they could come up with their own judgements, will also backfire to islam this time. It's too obvious that this critical mass is going to be sharpened for jihad, because it's getting out of control, due to the fact of islamic ignorance and/or warfare tactics.
Its can't be supported but I think the girls should not wait until they become 35 to get married.Here in our area most of the X-tains got married only after 30.So there is a chance of getting into trap !!! But I don't support 50 -> 9. They are not the things that are said in Islam.As in every religion they are man made rules.